From sentto-44114-19408-1051116984-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Wed Apr 23 09:57:06 2003 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Wed, 23 Apr 2003 09:57:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com ([66.218.66.77]) by digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 198NYK-0006Xm-00 for lojban-in@lojban.org; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 09:57:00 -0700 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-44114-19408-1051116984-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.195] by n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Apr 2003 16:56:25 -0000 X-Sender: jimc@math.ucla.edu X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 23 Apr 2003 16:56:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 61107 invoked from network); 23 Apr 2003 16:56:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Apr 2003 16:56:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fern.math.ucla.edu) (128.97.4.251) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Apr 2003 16:56:22 -0000 Received: from simba.math.ucla.edu (simba.math.ucla.edu [128.97.4.125]) by fern.math.ucla.edu (8.12.9/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h3NGuLuY023347 for ; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 09:56:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from simba.math.ucla.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by simba.math.ucla.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6/SuSE Linux 0.6) with ESMTP id h3NGuLl1002077 for ; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 09:56:21 -0700 Received: from localhost (jimc@localhost) by simba.math.ucla.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) with ESMTP id h3NGuL3O002074 for ; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 09:56:21 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: simba.math.ucla.edu: jimc owned process doing -bs To: lojban@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20030423064243.GA17874@swbell.net> Message-ID: From: Jim Carter MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list lojban@yahoogroups.com; contact lojban-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list lojban@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 09:56:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [lojban] Re: Defining lujvo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-archive-position: 4907 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jimc@MATH.UCLA.EDU Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list On Wed, 23 Apr 2003 xavin@xavin.adhockery.net wrote: > Is there a way to define a lujvo without refering to another language? > More importantly, is there a way to define a gismu without falling back > to another language? -gua!spi strikes twice in one day :-) See: http://www.math.ucla.edu/~jimc/guaspi/cases.html Look for "What Definitions Mean". To summarize: a predicate "is" a relation between its arguments, and is defined as a set (or class, if infinite) of thus-related sets of arguments. The textual exigesis is no more than a learning aid. Beware, the discussion is for -gua!spi, and a number of points differ from official Loglan/Lojban. James F. Carter Voice 310 825 2897 FAX 310 206 6673 UCLA-Mathnet; 6115 MSA; 405 Hilgard Ave.; Los Angeles, CA, USA 90095-1555 Email: jimc@math.ucla.edu http://www.math.ucla.edu/~jimc (q.v. for PGP key) ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Get A Free Psychic Reading! Your Online Answer To Life's Important Questions. http://us.click.yahoo.com/pDi3hB/OC5FAA/AG3JAA/GSaulB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe, send mail to lojban-unsubscribe@onelist.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/