From sentto-44114-19702-1052464066-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Fri May 09 00:08:27 2003 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Fri, 09 May 2003 00:08:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com ([66.218.66.82]) by digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 19E1zN-0000SQ-01 for lojban-in@lojban.org; Fri, 09 May 2003 00:08:17 -0700 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-44114-19702-1052464066-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.195] by n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 May 2003 07:07:46 -0000 X-Sender: tk1@despammed.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 9 May 2003 07:07:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 92778 invoked from network); 9 May 2003 07:07:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 May 2003 07:07:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.89) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 May 2003 07:07:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.118] by n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 May 2003 07:07:45 -0000 To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20030506230928.03786d50@pop.east.cox.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "c1tk" X-Originating-IP: 137.132.3.12 X-Yahoo-Profile: c1tk MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list lojban@yahoogroups.com; contact lojban-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list lojban@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk Date: Fri, 09 May 2003 07:07:44 -0000 Subject: [lojban] Re: Some ideas/questions (long) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-archive-position: 5200 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: tk1@despammed.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list Hello all, > >(I am thinking of utterances such as ".i le gerku jersi le mlatu fa'o" > It is not rejected by the Lojban parser, but doesn't have that meaning. It > merely represents the grammatical list of two sumti: "The dog-chaser, the > cat", which might be an answer to the question: Oops, sorry that was a bad example. But I found there are some other utterances which do cause problems. For example, {le gerku joi le mlatu}, under the grammar described in the file "bnf.233", does have a valid unique parse: text => text-1 => paragraphs => paragraph => paragraph-1 => paragraph-2 => utterance => term by rule: utterance = term ... /VAU#/ => sumti => sumti-1 joik sumti ... => {le} sumti-tail-1 joik sumti => {le} selbri joik sumti ... => {le} tanru-unit-2 joik sumti => {le gerku} joik sumti => {le gerku joi} sumti ... => {le gerku joi le mlatu} However, the same utterance is not accepted by the machine parser in "grammar.c". Thus, the grammar given in "bnf.233" and the grammar described by "grammar.c" actually correspond to not the same language, but _two_ different languages. If Lojban is a single, unambiguous language, then at least one of the grammars must be wrong. (While I know that this bit of weirdness is semi-documented in Chapter 14 of the Reference Grammar, but it does not help in resolving this anomaly.) Thanks, -- GPG:f75949318a026c5707ff188b438cca87faf73a82 http://angelfire.com/folk/sm0p/ GCS/MU d- s: a- C++() UL P++(+++) L++(+++) E- W++ N(+) o K? w--- O? M? V? PS(+) PE Y+ PGP+ t? 5? X- R- tv-() b+ DI(+) D+ G e++ h-- !r>+++ !y ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Rent DVDs Online - Over 14,500 titles. No Late Fees & Free Shipping. Try Netflix for FREE! http://us.click.yahoo.com/YoVfrB/XP.FAA/uetFAA/GSaulB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe, send mail to lojban-unsubscribe@onelist.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/