From jexOm@free.fr Wed May 14 15:41:27 2003 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Wed, 14 May 2003 15:41:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp8.wanadoo.fr ([193.252.22.30] helo=mwinf0101.wanadoo.fr) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19G4vs-0001us-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Wed, 14 May 2003 15:41:08 -0700 Received: from free.fr (ASt-Lambert-106-1-3-64.w81-49.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.49.148.64]) by mwinf0101.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 86B6AC000096 for ; Thu, 15 May 2003 00:40:37 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 00:40:31 +0200 Subject: [lojban] Re: Alternative Orthography. Yes, another one. Content-Type: text/plain; delsp=yes; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: jexOm. To: lojban-list@lojban.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis In-Reply-To: <8FF0B0A3-8659-11D7-A120-003065E00134@free.fr> Message-Id: <11AB59E8-865D-11D7-A120-003065E00134@free.fr> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) X-archive-position: 5257 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jexOm@free.fr Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list But that is a problem for writing directely in editors. Easy in HTML to write á or î , but not really doable when writing e-mails. Esperantists know this problem well... Writing only the vowels in uppercase is less ugly, and adds only AEIOU, 5 letters. Jérôme. Le jeudi, 15 mai 2003, à 00:15 Europe/Paris, jexOm. a écrit : > Or with accented vowels, like alternatives at the bottom of the > following pages: > - http://jerome.desquilbet.org/pages/166/ > - http://jerome.desquilbet.org/pages/167/ > Jérôme. > > Le mercredi, 14 mai 2003, à 23:44 Europe/Paris, Robin Lee Powell a > écrit : > >> So, a lot of people are bothered by the ' in lojban text. That's >> easy to fix, of course: use "h" if you want. Since "h" isn't used, >> we can always transform from the one to the other at will. >> >> However, the thing about the Lojban orthography that most bothers >> *me* is capital letters. >> >> I mean, seriously. The language adds, what, 23 symbols?, just to >> represent syllabic stress. It's ridiculous. >> >> My proposal is that syllabic stress be marked by a single character >> before or during the syllable to be stressed. I don't care what >> character is used, but I'm going to suggest ! as a starting point. >> >> Examples, stolen from >> http://www.tlg.uci.edu/~opoudjis/lojbanbrochure/lessons/ >> less1names.html >> >> .IBraxim. becomes: >> >> .!ibraxim. or .i!braxim. instead of >> >> juLIET.binOC. becomes: >> >> ju!liet.bin!oc. or juli!et.bino!c. or whatever. >> >> MUStafas.keMAL. becomes: >> >> !mustafas.ke!mal. >> >> (shouldn't that be "MUSTafas" anyways?). >> >> Note that despite allowing the character to appear within the >> syllable (as that is clearly unambiguous), I don't think that's >> actually a good idea: putting it at the front gives the reader >> warning. >> >> Comments? >> >> Whomever wishes to can feel free to make a wiki page out of this. >> >> -Robin >> >> -- >> Me: http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/ *** I'm a *male* >> Robin. >> "but I'm not stupid and people are not stupid who think samely with >> me" >> -- from an actual, real, non-spam mail sent to webmaster@lojban.org >> http://www.lojban.org/ *** .i cimo'o prali >> .ui >> >> >> > > > >