From sentto-44114-19807-1053090038-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Fri May 16 06:01:28 2003 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Fri, 16 May 2003 06:01:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com ([66.218.66.103]) by digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 19Gepn-0007zj-00 for lojban-in@lojban.org; Fri, 16 May 2003 06:01:15 -0700 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-44114-19807-1053090038-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.96] by n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 May 2003 13:00:43 -0000 X-Sender: phma@ixazon.dynip.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 16 May 2003 13:00:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 35357 invoked from network); 16 May 2003 13:00:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 May 2003 13:00:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO blackcat.ixazon.lan) (208.150.110.21) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 May 2003 13:00:29 -0000 Received: by blackcat.ixazon.lan (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 461EC4F92; Fri, 16 May 2003 13:00:27 +0000 (UTC) Organization: dis To: lojban@yahoogroups.com User-Agent: KMail/1.5 References: In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <200305160900.27718.phma@webjockey.net> From: Pierre Abbat MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list lojban@yahoogroups.com; contact lojban-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list lojban@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 09:00:27 -0400 Subject: [lojban] Re: Alternative Orthography. Yes, another one. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-archive-position: 5305 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: phma@webjockey.net Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list On Friday 16 May 2003 04:21, c1tk wrote: > coi rodo,> My proposal is that syllabic stress be marked by a single > character> before or during the syllable to be stressed. I don't care > what> character is used, but I'm going to suggest ! as a starting point.In > my very personal (beginner's) opinion, this seems like a good idea.I > suspect, though, that we may not even need an extra character > forrepresenting stress. While thinking about Yet Another Oriental > Orthographyfor Lojban, I had this idea of denoting word boundaries simply > by markingstressed syllables (using the general rule that Lojban words are > stressed onthe penultimate syllable). In spoken Lojban, one will have to > use stress tofigure out word endings anyway, so I thought it is just as > well.So perhaps we can reverse this idea, by using whitespace to denote > stresspositions; thus .IBraxim. -> .ibra xim. .ALbekerkis. -> .albe ker > kis.There is still the problem of denoting stresses on the last syllable of > aname. To denote these, we can place a comma after such syllable, > thusly: .MUStafas.keMAL. -> .musta fas.kemal, .How is that for backward > compatibility?Thanks,-- GPG:f75949318a026c5707ff188b438cca87faf73a82 > http://angelfire.com/folk/sm0p/GCS/MU d- s: a- C++() UL P++(+++) L++(+++) > E- W++ N(+) o K? w--- O? M? V? PS(+) PE Y+ PGP+ t? 5? X- R- tv-() b+ > DI(+) D+ G e++ h-- !r>+++ !y {.ibra xim.} is two words, the first an unassigned fu'ivla, and the second a cmene. It is the same as {.ibra .xim.}. The period before a name does not have to be written, unless the previous word is followed by a comma used as a punctuation mark (the comma makes the words run together without a phonological pause, though a phrasal pause is often heard). I did once use unusual spacing to indicate a stress pattern: {se pi'oma} in "da kevna le baktu" instead of the more usual {sepi'o ma}. phma -- .i toljundi do .ibabo mi'afra tu'a do .ibabo damba do .ibabo do jinga .icu'u la ma'atman. ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Get A Free Psychic Reading! Your Online Answer To Life's Important Questions. http://us.click.yahoo.com/Lj3uPC/Me7FAA/uetFAA/GSaulB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe, send mail to lojban-unsubscribe@onelist.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/