From a.rosta@lycos.co.uk Wed May 28 05:58:43 2003 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Wed, 28 May 2003 05:58:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lmsmtp02.st1.spray.net ([212.78.202.112]) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19L0Vo-0007oK-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Wed, 28 May 2003 05:58:36 -0700 Received: from oemcomputer (host81-7-59-20.surfport24.v21.co.uk [81.7.59.20]) by lmsmtp02.st1.spray.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECB745B8C6 for ; Wed, 28 May 2003 14:58:02 +0200 (MEST) From: "And Rosta" To: Subject: [lojban] antiblotation (was: RE: taksi Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 13:58:03 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <3ED4A173.32131.8A18D3@localhost> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Importance: Normal X-archive-position: 5479 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: a.rosta@lycos.co.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list filip: > On 28 May 2003 at 0:43, jjllambias2000 wrote: > > > The place structure for taksi is perhaps the least obvious of the > > three, but almost certainly I would bet it has the passengers/cargo in > > x2. > > Probably also a place for area of operation (most taxis I know operate > only in one city, or in a defined rural area) > > Not so sure about driver or fare For any place structure: Step 1. Draw up a list of candidate places. There will be infinitely many to select from, but make sure they include those things that might be difficult to express by means of other locutions. Step 2. For each candidate place, check whether you really want to define (e.g.) taksi so that something is not a taksi if there is no passenger, or no area of operation, or no driver, or no fare. Discard any candidates that are thus inessential. This avoids making the brivla mean something other than what was intended. Step 3. Get rid of any remaining candidates that could easily be expressed by other means and that don't follow established patterns among the place structures of other brivla. This avoids making the place structure unnecessarily hard to learn. --And.