From sentto-44114-19985-1054133514-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Wed May 28 07:52:53 2003 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Wed, 28 May 2003 07:52:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com ([66.218.66.65]) by digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 19L2I5-0004fg-00 for lojban-in@lojban.org; Wed, 28 May 2003 07:52:34 -0700 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-44114-19985-1054133514-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.193] by n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 May 2003 14:51:55 -0000 X-Sender: jcowan@reutershealth.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 68940 invoked from network); 28 May 2003 14:51:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 May 2003 14:51:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.reutershealth.com) (65.246.141.36) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 May 2003 14:51:54 -0000 Received: from skunk.reutershealth.com (mail [65.246.141.36]) by mail.reutershealth.com (Pro-8.9.3/Pro-8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA17129; Wed, 28 May 2003 10:47:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by skunk.reutershealth.com (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Wed, 28 May 2003 10:52:49 -0400 To: tk1@despammed.com Cc: lojban@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: <20030528145249.GQ30776@skunk.reutershealth.com> References: <200305281400.JAA20752@despammed.com> In-Reply-To: <200305281400.JAA20752@despammed.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i From: John Cowan X-Yahoo-Profile: john_w_cowan MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list lojban@yahoogroups.com; contact lojban-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list lojban@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 10:52:49 -0400 Subject: [lojban] Re: Beginner's take on the open/closed gismu debate (was: Re: emotions) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-archive-position: 5482 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jcowan@reutershealth.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list tk1@despammed.com scripsit: > forall x (nanmu(x) <=> (remna(x) /\ exists y exists z nakni(x, y, z))) roda zo'u da nanmu .ijo tu'e da remna .ija de di zo'u da de di nakni > (Ah! I think I got it.) I tried reading up Chapter 16 of the Reference > Grammar to see how to put the above into Lojban, but apparently the material > is incomplete -- there is no mention on how to group subexpressions, what > scopes quantifiers have, etc. Quantifiers scope from their position to the end of the tu'e-tu'u group (sentence logical parens) or to the next .i, ni'o, etc. -- He made the Legislature meet at one-horse John Cowan tank-towns out in the alfalfa belt, so that jcowan@reutershealth.com hardly nobody could get there and most of http://www.reutershealth.com the leaders would stay home and let him go http://www.ccil.org/~cowan to work and do things as he pleased. --Mencken, _Declaration of Independence_ ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Get A Free Psychic Reading! Your Online Answer To Life's Important Questions. http://us.click.yahoo.com/Lj3uPC/Me7FAA/CNxFAA/GSaulB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe, send mail to lojban-unsubscribe@onelist.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/