From phma@webjockey.net Mon May 12 20:44:15 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 13 May 2003 03:44:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 79833 invoked from network); 13 May 2003 03:44:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 May 2003 03:44:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO digitalkingdom.org) (204.152.186.175) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 May 2003 03:44:14 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.12) id 19FQi6-0006Ra-00 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 12 May 2003 20:44:14 -0700 Received: from digitalkingdom.org ([204.152.186.175] helo=chain) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19FQi0-0006RH-00; Mon, 12 May 2003 20:44:08 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Mon, 12 May 2003 20:44:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 208-150-110-21-adsl.precisionet.net ([208.150.110.21] helo=blackcat.ixazon.lan) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19FQhp-0006Qr-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Mon, 12 May 2003 20:43:57 -0700 Received: by blackcat.ixazon.lan (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 5E4F92990; Tue, 13 May 2003 03:43:25 +0000 (UTC) Organization: dis To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: native language Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 23:43:24 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.5 References: <200305122308.23845.phma@webjockey.net> <20030513033233.GA70494@allusion.net> In-Reply-To: <20030513033233.GA70494@allusion.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200305122343.24676.phma@webjockey.net> X-archive-position: 5232 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: phma@webjockey.net Precedence: bulk X-list: lojban-list From: Pierre Abbat Reply-To: phma@webjockey.net X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=92712300 X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 19712 On Monday 12 May 2003 23:32, Jordan DeLong wrote: > On Mon, May 12, 2003 at 11:08:23PM -0400, Pierre Abbat wrote: > > What is the word for "native language"? I've seen {jbojbe} used for > > "native speaker of Lojban", but no one is born speaking a language, and > > "at time x3 and place x4" seems irrelevant. > > Perhaps {pavmoibangu}, with {se pavmoibangu} as a native speaker? No, that's "first language". A person can have several native languages (I'm a native French-English bilingual), not all of which he may speak fluently (but put me in France for a week and it'll all come back). One is a native speaker of a language if one learned much of it while his head was soft (before about 6). phma -- .i toljundi do .ibabo mi'afra tu'a do .ibabo damba do .ibabo do jinga .icu'u la ma'atman.