From lojban-out@lojban.org Sun May 11 12:28:34 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 11 May 2003 19:28:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 37078 invoked from network); 11 May 2003 19:28:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 May 2003 19:28:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO digitalkingdom.org) (204.152.186.175) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 May 2003 19:28:33 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.12) id 19EwUr-0001Km-00 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 11 May 2003 12:28:33 -0700 Received: from digitalkingdom.org ([204.152.186.175] helo=chain) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19EwUj-0001KT-00; Sun, 11 May 2003 12:28:25 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Sun, 11 May 2003 12:28:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cs6668125-184.austin.rr.com ([66.68.125.184] ident=root) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19EwUb-0001KK-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Sun, 11 May 2003 12:28:17 -0700 Received: from cs6668125-184.austin.rr.com (asdf@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cs6668125-184.austin.rr.com (8.12.8p1/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h4BJcn67055666 for ; Sun, 11 May 2003 14:38:50 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from fracture@cs6668125-184.austin.rr.com) Received: (from fracture@localhost) by cs6668125-184.austin.rr.com (8.12.8p1/8.12.8/Submit) id h4BJcnDa055665 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Sun, 11 May 2003 14:38:49 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 14:38:49 -0500 To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: zi, vi, ca, bu'u Message-ID: <20030511193849.GA55520@allusion.net> References: <3EBEA11C.5040703@epfl.ch> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="oyUTqETQ0mS9luUI" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3EBEA11C.5040703@epfl.ch> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-archive-position: 5214 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: fracture@allusion.net Precedence: bulk X-list: lojban-list X-eGroups-From: Jordan DeLong From: Jordan DeLong Reply-To: fracture@allusion.net X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 19694 --oyUTqETQ0mS9luUI Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, May 11, 2003 at 09:14:36PM +0200, Gregory Dyke wrote: [...] > On irc, I said: ma nuzba vi le norge (the example xorxes quotes on phpbb) >=20 > Is this incorrect or just not as accurate as it should be? What would be= =20 > a less "foreign" way of saying this? >=20 > ma nuzba ne'i le norge > ma nuzba bu'u le norge > ... [...] None of the above. Those are all malglico. When you say, in english, "What's new in Norway", the "in" does not have to do with spacial location (news doesn't have a location), and thus has nothing to do with {ne'i}, {bu'u}, or cmavo in VA. {ma nuzba sera'a le gugdrnorge} or {ma nuzba le gugdrnorge} or {ma nuzba fi le gugdrnorge}, depending on exactly how general or specific you want to be in your query for what particular type of news, are correct. --=20 Jordan DeLong - fracture@allusion.net lu zo'o loi censa bakni cu terzba le zaltapla poi xagrai li'u sei la mark. tuen. cusku --oyUTqETQ0mS9luUI Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline [Attachment content not displayed.] --oyUTqETQ0mS9luUI--