From lojban-out@lojban.org Thu May 15 03:21:08 2003 Return-Path: Date: Thu May 15 03:21:08 2003 X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 15 May 2003 10:21:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 22492 invoked from network); 15 May 2003 10:21:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 May 2003 10:21:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO digitalkingdom.org) (204.152.186.175) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 May 2003 10:21:07 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.12) id 19GFrG-00079C-00 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 15 May 2003 03:21:06 -0700 Received: from digitalkingdom.org ([204.152.186.175] helo=chain) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19GFps-00078J-00; Thu, 15 May 2003 03:19:40 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Thu, 15 May 2003 03:19:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no ([129.241.210.67] ident=[DyTuXHWsvuvlobPOZepFYkSS+wsjFagD]) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19GFni-00077r-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Thu, 15 May 2003 03:17:26 -0700 Received: from hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no ([IPv6:::ffff:129.241.210.68]:28629 "EHLO hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no" ident: "[pVMGXVj6L1TPHMu9/RngTkRm/dhXaFP4]" whoson: "-unregistered-") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id convert rfc822-to-quoted-printable; Thu, 15 May 2003 12:17:08 +0200 Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 12:17:08 +0200 (CEST) X-X-Sender: arj@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: Alternative Orthography. Yes, another one. In-Reply-To: <20030514214459.GI3216@digitalkingdom.org> Message-ID: References: <20030514214459.GI3216@digitalkingdom.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis X-archive-position: 5272 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: arj@nvg.org Precedence: bulk X-list: lojban-list X-eGroups-From: Arnt Richard Johansen From: Arnt Richard Johansen Reply-To: arj@nvg.org X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 19752 First of all: write whichever way you want, but I won't be happy about any *official* change of the language, unless it brings vast improvements. Your proposal, as it appears, does not. On Wed, 14 May 2003, Robin Lee Powell wrote: > However, the thing about the Lojban orthography that most bothers > *me* is capital letters. > > I mean, seriously. The language adds, what, 23 symbols?, just to > represent syllabic stress. It's ridiculous. 1. Only to skami prenu like us would it occur that C and c are different symbols. :^) 2. Since when did this become a contest about using the fewest possible symbols? > [Suggestions:] > > ju!liet.bin!oc. or juli!et.bino!c. or whatever. I'm sorry, Robin, but I find this incredibly hard to read. Re the first example, I can't decide if it's JUliet, juLIET, or juLIet. > Whomever wishes to can feel free to make a wiki page out of this. Wikiists may want to look at the bottom of this page, after hearding 5: , I rewrote a piece into the orthography I would have chosen, if the language were my own private plaything. But I still think that mucking around with the orthography is a very bad idea. Consider the effects the Great Rafsi Reallocation of 1993 had on older texts, and then consider what an orthography change would lead to. Scary, I tell you. -- Arnt Richard Johansen http://arj.nvg.org/ ¿Tiene Cuba?