From lojban-out@lojban.org Wed May 14 15:18:55 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 14 May 2003 22:18:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 33214 invoked from network); 14 May 2003 22:16:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 May 2003 22:16:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO digitalkingdom.org) (204.152.186.175) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 May 2003 22:16:28 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.12) id 19G4Xz-0001mc-00 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 14 May 2003 15:16:27 -0700 Received: from digitalkingdom.org ([204.152.186.175] helo=chain) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19G4Xp-0001mJ-00; Wed, 14 May 2003 15:16:17 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Wed, 14 May 2003 15:16:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp8.wanadoo.fr ([193.252.22.30] helo=mwinf0101.wanadoo.fr) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19G4Xb-0001mA-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Wed, 14 May 2003 15:16:03 -0700 Received: from free.fr (ASt-Lambert-106-1-3-64.w81-49.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.49.148.64]) by mwinf0101.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 6EA2AC0000BC for ; Thu, 15 May 2003 00:15:31 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 00:15:25 +0200 Subject: [lojban] Re: Alternative Orthography. Yes, another one. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) To: lojban-list@lojban.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis In-Reply-To: <20030514214459.GI3216@digitalkingdom.org> Message-Id: <8FF0B0A3-8659-11D7-A120-003065E00134@free.fr> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) X-archive-position: 5255 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jexOm@free.fr Precedence: bulk X-list: lojban-list X-eGroups-From: jexOm. From: jexOm. Reply-To: jexOm@free.fr X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 19734 Or with accented vowels, like alternatives at the bottom of the following pages: - http://jerome.desquilbet.org/pages/166/ - http://jerome.desquilbet.org/pages/167/ Jérôme. Le mercredi, 14 mai 2003, à 23:44 Europe/Paris, Robin Lee Powell a écrit : > So, a lot of people are bothered by the ' in lojban text. That's > easy to fix, of course: use "h" if you want. Since "h" isn't used, > we can always transform from the one to the other at will. > > However, the thing about the Lojban orthography that most bothers > *me* is capital letters. > > I mean, seriously. The language adds, what, 23 symbols?, just to > represent syllabic stress. It's ridiculous. > > My proposal is that syllabic stress be marked by a single character > before or during the syllable to be stressed. I don't care what > character is used, but I'm going to suggest ! as a starting point. > > Examples, stolen from > http://www.tlg.uci.edu/~opoudjis/lojbanbrochure/lessons/less1names.html > > .IBraxim. becomes: > > .!ibraxim. or .i!braxim. instead of > > juLIET.binOC. becomes: > > ju!liet.bin!oc. or juli!et.bino!c. or whatever. > > MUStafas.keMAL. becomes: > > !mustafas.ke!mal. > > (shouldn't that be "MUSTafas" anyways?). > > Note that despite allowing the character to appear within the > syllable (as that is clearly unambiguous), I don't think that's > actually a good idea: putting it at the front gives the reader > warning. > > Comments? > > Whomever wishes to can feel free to make a wiki page out of this. > > -Robin > > -- > Me: http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/ *** I'm a *male* Robin. > "but I'm not stupid and people are not stupid who think samely with me" > -- from an actual, real, non-spam mail sent to webmaster@lojban.org > http://www.lojban.org/ *** .i cimo'o prali .ui > > >