From lojbab@lojban.org Sun May 25 20:34:51 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 78940 invoked from network); 26 May 2003 03:34:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 May 2003 03:34:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO digitalkingdom.org) (204.152.186.175) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 May 2003 03:34:51 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.12) id 19K8l8-0005tZ-00 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 25 May 2003 20:34:50 -0700 Received: from digitalkingdom.org ([204.152.186.175] helo=chain) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19K8l3-0005tG-00; Sun, 25 May 2003 20:34:45 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Sun, 25 May 2003 20:34:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lakemtao01.cox.net ([68.1.17.244]) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19K8ku-0005t7-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Sun, 25 May 2003 20:34:36 -0700 Received: from bob.lojban.org ([68.100.92.1]) by lakemtao01.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with ESMTP id <20030526033404.OUKU8337.lakemtao01.cox.net@bob.lojban.org> for ; Sun, 25 May 2003 23:34:04 -0400 Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20030525232930.030d4260@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: rlechevalier@pop.east.cox.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Sun, 25 May 2003 23:33:34 -0400 To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: emotions In-Reply-To: <20030525224023.37472.qmail@web41906.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20030525000203.GA2398@allusion.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis X-archive-position: 5396 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: lojbab@lojban.org Precedence: bulk X-list: lojban-list From: Robert LeChevalier Reply-To: lojbab@lojban.org X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1120595 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojbab X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 19876 At 03:40 PM 5/25/03 -0700, Jorge "Llambías" wrote: >la djorden cusku di'e > > [...] > > > > Gismu, lujvo and fu'ivla > > > > are just different types of brivla; none are more privledged than > > > > the others. > > > > > > If that were so, then why all the fuss when a new gismu is proposed, > > > but no fuss when a new lujvo or fu'ivla is proposed? > > > > Because the gismu list is frozen, and there's no reason to prefer > > a gismu rather than another brivla. > >And yet people do seem to prefer gismu. They are used much more frequently >than other brivla. That's because the gismu list is handy, and there is no equivalently handy dictionary of the other words. They might also have used LogFlash or some other tool to memorize them. You use what you know. > > If you ask why it is frozen (as you no doubt will do); it would not > > be smart to allow open season on gismu: the knee-jerk creation of > > gismu for things which can be other brivla damage our ability to > > increase rafsi for lujvo in the future (and in the process betrays > > a lack of understanding about the purpose of the different types > > of brivla). > >Hmm... {parji} doesn't seem to limit any increase in future rafsi >availability, because par, paj, pai, pa'i are all already taken. In which case, there is even less reason to give it a gismu rather than a rafsi fu'ivla form. >In any case, the best way to oppose these words is to provide >good canonical alternatives, as Nick said. Nora suggested that no noncanonical word should be allowed to be added to the jbovlaste UNLESS a canonical (perhaps longer) alternative has already been added. lojbab -- lojbab lojbab@lojban.org Bob LeChevalier, President, The Logical Language Group, Inc. 2904 Beau Lane, Fairfax VA 22031-1303 USA 703-385-0273 Artificial language Loglan/Lojban: http://www.lojban.org