From lojban-out@lojban.org Sat May 24 08:11:36 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 72240 invoked from network); 24 May 2003 15:11:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 May 2003 15:11:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO digitalkingdom.org) (204.152.186.175) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 May 2003 15:11:33 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.12) id 19JagG-0007yQ-00 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 24 May 2003 08:11:32 -0700 Received: from digitalkingdom.org ([204.152.186.175] helo=chain) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19Jafu-0007wD-00; Sat, 24 May 2003 08:11:10 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Sat, 24 May 2003 08:11:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cs24349-133.austin.rr.com ([24.243.49.133] helo=cs6668125-184.austin.rr.com ident=root) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19JafY-0007vI-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Sat, 24 May 2003 08:10:48 -0700 Received: from cs6668125-184.austin.rr.com (asdf@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cs6668125-184.austin.rr.com (8.12.8p1/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h4OFMT67098367 for ; Sat, 24 May 2003 10:22:30 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from fracture@cs6668125-184.austin.rr.com) Received: (from fracture@localhost) by cs6668125-184.austin.rr.com (8.12.8p1/8.12.8/Submit) id h4OFMTKH098366 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Sat, 24 May 2003 10:22:29 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 10:22:29 -0500 To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: emotions Message-ID: <20030524152229.GA98255@allusion.net> References: <7FC7B245-8DD5-11D7-AC97-003065D4EC72@optushome.com.au> <200305240751.29472.phma@webjockey.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="HlL+5n6rz5pIUxbD" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200305240751.29472.phma@webjockey.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-archive-position: 5377 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: fracture@allusion.net Precedence: bulk X-list: lojban-list X-eGroups-From: Jordan DeLong From: Jordan DeLong Reply-To: fracture@allusion.net X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 19857 --HlL+5n6rz5pIUxbD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, May 24, 2003 at 07:51:29AM -0400, Pierre Abbat wrote: > On Saturday 24 May 2003 06:50, Nick Nicholas wrote: > > Your issue (on those particular words) is with Abbat, not with Kominek > > or Powell. Your solution is to propose a canonical word for parasite, > > not to vent revulsion. (And I remind you of our recent discussion on > > big and small tents.) >=20 > And that word I did not invent, I only entered into the dictionary. It wa= s=20 > already on the Lojban wiki, along with {didni}, {nusna}, {sicpi}, {gumri}= ,=20 > and several others. The ones I invented are mostly chemical terms, such a= s=20 > {benzo} and {zmase}, which are either common enough concepts or used in=20 > enough compounds that I think there ought to be gismu for them. [...] Why? What is with this thought that gismu are somehow privledged brivla? This is the same thing that makes people assert that all cultures should have gismu, instead of some with gismu and some with lujvo. If you're talking about rafsi, go use zei. If you're talking about word length, many lujvo have only 2 syllables, and 3 is totally fine (hell "parasite" is 3 in english). What advantage could you possibly see for it being a gismu? I think this all rests on a fundamental misunderstanding of lojban word classes. People like to think about gismu, cmavo and lujvo. But it's actually brivla, cmavo and cmene. Gismu, lujvo and fu'ivla are just different types of brivla; none are more privledged than the others. --=20 Jordan DeLong - fracture@allusion.net lu zo'o loi censa bakni cu terzba le zaltapla poi xagrai li'u sei la mark. tuen. cusku --HlL+5n6rz5pIUxbD Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline [Attachment content not displayed.] --HlL+5n6rz5pIUxbD--