From lojban-out@lojban.org Thu May 15 02:04:26 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 15 May 2003 09:04:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 10582 invoked from network); 15 May 2003 09:04:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 May 2003 09:04:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO digitalkingdom.org) (204.152.186.175) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 May 2003 09:04:26 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.12) id 19GEf4-0005fR-00 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 15 May 2003 02:04:26 -0700 Received: from digitalkingdom.org ([204.152.186.175] helo=chain) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19GEep-0005f8-00; Thu, 15 May 2003 02:04:11 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Thu, 15 May 2003 02:04:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from postman1.arcor-online.net ([151.189.0.187] helo=postman.arcor.de) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19GEdk-0005ez-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Thu, 15 May 2003 02:03:04 -0700 Received: from hamwpne1 (pc1-oxfd1-5-cust27.oxfd.cable.ntl.com [62.254.134.27]) (authenticated bits=0) by postman.arcor.de (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h4F92x73018632 for ; Thu, 15 May 2003 11:03:01 +0200 (MEST) Organization: datenrevision GmbH & Co. OHG To: lojban-list@lojban.org Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 11:02:27 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [lojban] Re: Alternative Orthography. Yes, another one. Message-ID: <3EC373C3.19965.63AFAA@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.02a) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis Content-description: Mail message body X-archive-position: 5271 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: pnewton@gmx.de Precedence: bulk X-list: lojban-list X-eGroups-From: "Philip Newton" From: "Philip Newton" Reply-To: pnewton@gmx.de X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 19751 On 15 May 2003 at 17:20, Nick Nicholas wrote: > 'Nother vote for accents. What about diphthongs? (Especially since Lojban has both rising and falling diphthongs.) Accent both vowels? the stronger one? the first one? For example, a place near here is Eißendorf - AIsendorf. (with the falling diphthong 'ai'); would that turn into áisendorf or aísendorf or áísendorf? Assuming Dubois is diBUAS. (with the rising diphthong 'ua') - is that dibúás? dibúas? dibuás? (I'd prefer that if one vowel is marked, it be the stronger one [or whatever the term is], so áisendorf, dibuás.) I suppose one could be silly and use circumflex for single vowels and acute-grave (which looks a little like a circumflex) for diphthongs... so mûstafas kemâl but áìsendorf and dibúàs. Or, since Unicode was mentioned, we could be really silly and use U+0303 COMBINING TILDE for a single vowel and U+0360 COMBINING DOUBLE TILDE (which goes over two letters) for diphthongs.... mu'o mi'e .filip. noi na'e djuno ledu'u makau cu xagrai -- filip.niutyn.