Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Sat, 10 May 2003 14:12:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com ([66.218.66.72]) by digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 19Ebdj-00089h-01 for lojban-in@lojban.org; Sat, 10 May 2003 14:12:19 -0700 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-44114-19709-1052601105-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.201] by n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 May 2003 21:11:48 -0000 X-Sender: MorphemeAddict@wmconnect.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 10 May 2003 21:11:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 27167 invoked from network); 10 May 2003 21:11:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 May 2003 21:11:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r07.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.103) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 May 2003 21:11:46 -0000 Received: from MorphemeAddict@wmconnect.com by imo-r07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.22.) id r.54.10f93f9e (4184) for ; Sat, 10 May 2003 17:11:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <54.10f93f9e.2beec50f@wmconnect.com> To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 12 From: MorphemeAddict@wmconnect.com X-Yahoo-Profile: lojbaner MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list lojban@yahoogroups.com; contact lojban-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list lojban@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 17:11:43 EDT Subject: [lojban] semantic space Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_54.10f93f9e.2beec50f_boundary" X-archive-position: 5207 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: MorphemeAddict@wmconnect.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list Content-Length: 3963 Lines: 90 --part1_54.10f93f9e.2beec50f_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2003-05-06 10:58:55 PM Eastern Daylight Time, lojban@yahoogroups.com writes: > > my first thought is: by starting with everything and successively dividing > it > > into smaller spaces. > > And when do you stop dividing? > whenever you want. or whenever the divisions 'feel' too small to be semantically distinct. > > second thought: use concept lists (e.g. roget's thesaurus). > > That does nothing for you, as you have no idea (let alone evidence or > *proof*!) that whatever list you use is complete. > yes, i'm aware of this too, but it's a sort of minimum: anything less and you know something is missing. let's say it's necessary, but not adequate. of course, too, there is a huge amount of redundancy in such a concept list, as there is in language in general. finding new concepts is not easy, as Suzette Haden Elgin describes in her novel "Native Tongue". stevo stevo --part1_54.10f93f9e.2beec50f_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2003-05-06 10:58:55 PM Eastern Daylight Time, lojban@yahoogroups.com writes:


> my first thought is: by starting with everything and successively dividing it
> into smaller spaces.  

And when do you stop dividing?

whenever you want.  or whenever the divisions 'feel' too small to be semantically distinct.


> second thought:  use concept lists (e.g. roget's thesaurus).

That does nothing for you, as you have no idea (let alone evidence or
*proof*!) that whatever list you use is complete.

yes, i'm aware of this too, but it's a sort of minimum: anything less and you know something is missing.  let's say it's necessary, but not adequate.  of course, too, there is a huge amount of redundancy in such a concept list, as there is in language in general.  finding new concepts is not easy, as Suzette Haden Elgin describes in her novel "Native Tongue".

stevo

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