From lojban-out@lojban.org Sat May 31 11:08:32 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 97571 invoked from network); 31 May 2003 18:08:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 May 2003 18:08:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO digitalkingdom.org) (204.152.186.175) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 May 2003 18:08:32 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.12) id 19MAmO-0006iK-00 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 31 May 2003 11:08:32 -0700 Received: from digitalkingdom.org ([204.152.186.175] helo=chain) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19MAmA-0006i1-00; Sat, 31 May 2003 11:08:18 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Sat, 31 May 2003 11:08:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cs24349-133.austin.rr.com ([24.243.49.133] helo=cs6668125-184.austin.rr.com ident=root) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19MAm0-0006hs-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Sat, 31 May 2003 11:08:09 -0700 Received: from cs6668125-184.austin.rr.com (asdf@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cs6668125-184.austin.rr.com (8.12.8p1/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h4VIKS67064850 for ; Sat, 31 May 2003 13:20:28 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from fracture@cs6668125-184.austin.rr.com) Received: (from fracture@localhost) by cs6668125-184.austin.rr.com (8.12.8p1/8.12.8/Submit) id h4VIKNUd064849 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Sat, 31 May 2003 13:20:23 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 13:20:23 -0500 To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: ISO 639-2 request Message-ID: <20030531182023.GA64562@allusion.net> References: <20030531065652.GA56285@allusion.net> <20030530153358.GN4034@skunk.reutershealth.com> <20030531041140.GJ32032@ccil.org> <20030531065652.GA56285@allusion.net> <5.2.0.9.0.20030531095347.035793b0@pop.east.cox.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="M9NhX3UHpAaciwkO" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20030531095347.035793b0@pop.east.cox.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-archive-position: 5536 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: fracture@allusion.net Precedence: bulk X-list: lojban-list X-eGroups-From: Jordan DeLong From: Jordan DeLong Reply-To: fracture@allusion.net X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 20017 --M9NhX3UHpAaciwkO Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, May 31, 2003 at 09:55:54AM -0400, Robert LeChevalier wrote: > At 12:07 AM 5/31/03 -0700, Robin Lee Powell wrote: > >On Sat, May 31, 2003 at 01:56:52AM -0500, Jordan DeLong wrote: > >> On Sat, May 31, 2003 at 12:11:40AM -0400, John Cowan wrote: > >> > Craig scripsit: > >> > > >> > > >perhaps 300 who have some level of interest in the language. > >> > > >Lojban has > >> > > > >> > > Huh. The last statistics I heard were way higher than that. > >> > > What's the subscriptions on the mailing lists up to? > >> > > >> > Better safe than sorry. > >> > >> Then why not be safe about the fluency estimates also? > >> > >> My count on fluency is a nice big 0. > > > >Mine too. >=20 > You didn't find Nick to be fluent when he was at LogFest? >=20 > My count on fluency is 2. Nick, and Goran Topic (by Nick's report). I=20 > suspect that Jorge would qualify as well. If you're going by that Nick-and-Goran conversation from 1995, I don't think that was anywhere *close* to fluency. Hell, Robin and I had a far more-fluent conversation than that on the phone a little while ago, and it was still quite choppy (lots of "xu do jimpe"). Nick may have improved since then, of course, but I seriously doubt he's fluent by normal standards (no offense to nick intended). Either way, though, 30 is just plain bogus. However, I'd think 30 is probably a pretty accurate count of the numer of people who are interested in the language (for a definition of "interest" that doesn't include people who've just heard of the language and lurk on the mailing list). --=20 Jordan DeLong - fracture@allusion.net lu zo'o loi censa bakni cu terzba le zaltapla poi xagrai li'u sei la mark. tuen. cusku --M9NhX3UHpAaciwkO Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline [Attachment content not displayed.] --M9NhX3UHpAaciwkO--