From lojban-out@lojban.org Wed May 28 19:05:12 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 10249 invoked from network); 29 May 2003 02:05:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 May 2003 02:05:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO digitalkingdom.org) (204.152.186.175) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 May 2003 02:05:11 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.12) id 19LCn1-0003Mr-00 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 28 May 2003 19:05:11 -0700 Received: from digitalkingdom.org ([204.152.186.175] helo=chain) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19LCmq-0003MX-00; Wed, 28 May 2003 19:05:00 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Wed, 28 May 2003 19:04:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cs24349-133.austin.rr.com ([24.243.49.133] helo=cs6668125-184.austin.rr.com ident=root) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19LCmg-0003MN-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Wed, 28 May 2003 19:04:50 -0700 Received: from cs6668125-184.austin.rr.com (asdf@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cs6668125-184.austin.rr.com (8.12.8p1/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h4T2Gu67036968 for ; Wed, 28 May 2003 21:16:56 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from fracture@cs6668125-184.austin.rr.com) Received: (from fracture@localhost) by cs6668125-184.austin.rr.com (8.12.8p1/8.12.8/Submit) id h4T2Gt7k036967 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Wed, 28 May 2003 21:16:55 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 21:16:55 -0500 To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: Beginner's take on the open/closed gismu debate (was: Re: emotions) Message-ID: <20030529021655.GA36555@allusion.net> References: <200305281400.JAA20752@despammed.com> <20030528184529.99251.qmail@web41903.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="+HP7ph2BbKc20aGI" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030528184529.99251.qmail@web41903.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-archive-position: 5497 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: fracture@allusion.net Precedence: bulk X-list: lojban-list X-eGroups-From: Jordan DeLong From: Jordan DeLong Reply-To: fracture@allusion.net X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 19978 --+HP7ph2BbKc20aGI Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, May 28, 2003 at 11:45:28AM -0700, Jorge Llamb=EDas wrote: > --- tk1@despammed.com wrote: > > [Jorge Llamb?as:] > > > i ua le cmalu krokodilo > > > cu zengau le ky rebla > > > si'u le djacu pe la nilos > > > le ka camri'ojvebla > > [...] > >=20 > > I am thinking of replacing the last two words with e.g. "solji skapi"..= . > > which still leaves two syllables for random interjections. >=20 > But it won't rhyme with rebla... >=20 > > forall x (nanmu(x) <=3D> (remna(x) /\ exists y exists z nakni(x, y, z)= )) > >=20 > > (Ah! I think I got it.) I tried reading up Chapter 16 of the Reference > > Grammar to see how to put the above into Lojban, but apparently the mat= erial > > is incomplete -- there is no mention on how to group subexpressions, wh= at > > scopes quantifiers have, etc. >=20 > That would be something like: >=20 > ro da zo'u go da nanmu gi ge da remna gi su'o de su'o di zo'u da de di n= akni Why are you guys so verbose? :) {ro da go nanmu gi remna gi'e nakni} is exactly the same as both of the lojbo-ified versions of the formula so far. --=20 Jordan DeLong - fracture@allusion.net lu zo'o loi censa bakni cu terzba le zaltapla poi xagrai li'u sei la mark. tuen. cusku --+HP7ph2BbKc20aGI Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline [Attachment content not displayed.] --+HP7ph2BbKc20aGI--