From ragnarok@pobox.com Mon May 12 18:58:05 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 13 May 2003 01:58:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 82853 invoked from network); 13 May 2003 01:58:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 May 2003 01:58:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO digitalkingdom.org) (204.152.186.175) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 May 2003 01:58:04 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.12) id 19FP3M-0005tZ-00 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 12 May 2003 18:58:04 -0700 Received: from digitalkingdom.org ([204.152.186.175] helo=chain) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19FP37-0005tD-00; Mon, 12 May 2003 18:57:49 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Mon, 12 May 2003 18:57:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.intrex.net ([209.42.192.250]) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19FP2x-0005t4-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Mon, 12 May 2003 18:57:39 -0700 Received: from craig [209.42.200.60] by smtp.intrex.net (SMTPD32-7.13) id A0F820200B8; Mon, 12 May 2003 21:57:12 -0400 To: Subject: [lojban] Re: minimum concepts Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 21:57:14 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20030512135317.33124.qmail@web20510.mail.yahoo.com> X-Declude-Sender: ragnarok@pobox.com [209.42.200.60] X-archive-position: 5229 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: ragnarok@pobox.com Precedence: bulk X-list: lojban-list From: "Craig" Reply-To: ragnarok@pobox.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=48763382 X-Yahoo-Profile: kreig_daniyl X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 19709 >> >> 35 seems a bit stingy. At least 3 of those are needed for a triple of >> >> primary colors, >> > >> > maybe not if you say something like "grass-color" (green), "sky-color" >> > (blue), "snow-color" (white), "blood-color" (red), etc. i think "color" >> > would be a necessary concept, but not the individual colors themselves. >> > >> > stevo >aUI, The Language of Space, uses 31 "elements of meaning", but apparently >"color" is not one of them. Probably it would be formed as some compound >with "light". To my knowledge, aUI has not yet been shown to be a complete language capable of expressing everything its speakers need to express. Nahuatl trivially is, as it has had many monolingual speakers over the years. If it really *is* oligosynthetic (I've never seen any serious analysis of the issue by linguists - only insurance investigators), that is much more interesting than aUI.