From lojbab@lojban.org Sun May 25 05:26:26 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85651 invoked from network); 25 May 2003 12:26:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 May 2003 12:26:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO digitalkingdom.org) (204.152.186.175) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 May 2003 12:26:25 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.12) id 19Jua1-0004fq-00 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 25 May 2003 05:26:25 -0700 Received: from digitalkingdom.org ([204.152.186.175] helo=chain) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19JuZt-0004fV-00; Sun, 25 May 2003 05:26:17 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Sun, 25 May 2003 05:26:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lakemtao03.cox.net ([68.1.17.242]) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19JuZj-0004f8-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Sun, 25 May 2003 05:26:07 -0700 Received: from bob.lojban.org ([68.100.92.1]) by lakemtao03.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with ESMTP id <20030525122537.NZCS23518.lakemtao03.cox.net@bob.lojban.org> for ; Sun, 25 May 2003 08:25:37 -0400 Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20030525081407.03168210@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: rlechevalier@pop.east.cox.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Sun, 25 May 2003 08:25:00 -0400 To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: emotions In-Reply-To: <20030525073208.GA19583@mit.edu> References: <5.2.0.9.0.20030524131439.06b68880@pop.east.cox.net> <20030524152229.GA98255@allusion.net> <7FC7B245-8DD5-11D7-AC97-003065D4EC72@optushome.com.au> <200305240751.29472.phma@webjockey.net> <20030524152229.GA98255@allusion.net> <5.2.0.9.0.20030524131439.06b68880@pop.east.cox.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-archive-position: 5389 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: lojbab@lojban.org Precedence: bulk X-list: lojban-list From: Robert LeChevalier Reply-To: lojbab@lojban.org X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1120595 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojbab X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 19869 At 03:32 AM 5/25/03 -0400, Rob Speer wrote: >On Sat, May 24, 2003 at 01:16:29PM -0400, Robert LeChevalier wrote: > > Why is it important that infrequently used jargon words have very short > > forms? > >(glances at lau, tei, and foi) Content words. Obviously in Lojban, cmavo will be shorter than any content word, and people don't normally consider cmavo to be jargon. (I'm surprised that there has seldom been criticism of re'a, which I myself thought was a questionable addition, deferring to people with more mathematical orientations.) I will note in passing that lau, tei, and foi were added to the language before Unicode, and before Gary Burgess and I came up with word+bu as alternate approaches to letteral words. The problem remains the same, and it is important that there be short ways to say acronyms even when they don't use Lojban-alphabet lerfu, but we now have more solutions than we need. I have no doubt that the byfy can come up with the appropriate ones to delete, and this is one area where I will likely support a baseline change, since we have a combination of non-usage, good alternate solutions, and an important problem that key people feel needs the cmavo (the gadri issue). lojbab -- lojbab lojbab@lojban.org Bob LeChevalier, President, The Logical Language Group, Inc. 2904 Beau Lane, Fairfax VA 22031-1303 USA 703-385-0273 Artificial language Loglan/Lojban: http://www.lojban.org