From lojban-out@lojban.org Sat May 24 09:04:32 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 46859 invoked from network); 24 May 2003 16:04:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 May 2003 16:04:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO digitalkingdom.org) (204.152.186.175) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 May 2003 16:04:31 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.12) id 19JbVX-0003UU-00 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 24 May 2003 09:04:31 -0700 Received: from digitalkingdom.org ([204.152.186.175] helo=chain) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19JbVN-0003Td-00; Sat, 24 May 2003 09:04:21 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Sat, 24 May 2003 09:04:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from manyas.bcc.bilkent.edu.tr ([139.179.30.24]) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19JbV3-0003Qd-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Sat, 24 May 2003 09:04:01 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by manyas.bcc.bilkent.edu.tr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 531943201D for ; Sat, 24 May 2003 19:03:28 +0300 (EEST) Received: from bilkent.edu.tr (ppp130.bcc.bilkent.edu.tr [139.179.111.130]) by manyas.bcc.bilkent.edu.tr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DD2531F10 for ; Sat, 24 May 2003 19:03:26 +0300 (EEST) Message-ID: <3ECFB531.1050506@bilkent.edu.tr> Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 19:08:49 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.3) Gecko/20030313 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: emotions References: <7FC7B245-8DD5-11D7-AC97-003065D4EC72@optushome.com.au> <200305240751.29472.phma@webjockey.net> <20030524152229.GA98255@allusion.net> In-Reply-To: <20030524152229.GA98255@allusion.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS snapshot-20020531 X-archive-position: 5378 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: robin@bilkent.edu.tr Precedence: bulk X-list: lojban-list X-eGroups-From: Robin From: Robin Reply-To: robin@bilkent.edu.tr X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 19858 Jordan DeLong wrote: > On Sat, May 24, 2003 at 07:51:29AM -0400, Pierre Abbat wrote: > >>On Saturday 24 May 2003 06:50, Nick Nicholas wrote: >> >>>Your issue (on those particular words) is with Abbat, not with Kominek >>>or Powell. Your solution is to propose a canonical word for parasite, >>>not to vent revulsion. (And I remind you of our recent discussion on >>>big and small tents.) >> >>And that word I did not invent, I only entered into the dictionary. It was >>already on the Lojban wiki, along with {didni}, {nusna}, {sicpi}, {gumri}, >>and several others. The ones I invented are mostly chemical terms, such as >>{benzo} and {zmase}, which are either common enough concepts or used in >>enough compounds that I think there ought to be gismu for them. > > [...] > > Why? > > What is with this thought that gismu are somehow privledged brivla? > This is the same thing that makes people assert that all cultures > should have gismu, instead of some with gismu and some with lujvo. > > If you're talking about rafsi, go use zei. If you're talking about > word length, many lujvo have only 2 syllables, and 3 is totally > fine (hell "parasite" is 3 in english). What advantage could you > possibly see for it being a gismu? > > I think this all rests on a fundamental misunderstanding of lojban > word classes. People like to think about gismu, cmavo and lujvo. > But it's actually brivla, cmavo and cmene. Gismu, lujvo and fu'ivla > are just different types of brivla; none are more privledged than > the others. > I think I agree, though I'm not sure exactly what constitutes privilege here. The issue with creating gismu is less how useful that gismu would be itself than how generative it is. "Parasite" might be a good candidate, not because we use the word "parasite" a lot, but because it might help create a lot of lujvo (for things like fleas, lice, tapeworms, ticks etc.). robin.tr -- "A Perl script is "correct" if it gets the job done before your boss fires you." - Larry Wall Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Univeritesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin