From robin@bilkent.edu.tr Thu Jun 05 06:49:57 2003 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Thu, 05 Jun 2003 06:49:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from manyas.bcc.bilkent.edu.tr ([139.179.30.24]) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19Nv7X-000563-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Thu, 05 Jun 2003 06:49:35 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by manyas.bcc.bilkent.edu.tr (Postfix) with ESMTP id BADAE321D8 for ; Thu, 5 Jun 2003 16:48:43 +0300 (EEST) Received: from bilkent.edu.tr (ppp103.bcc.bilkent.edu.tr [139.179.111.103]) by manyas.bcc.bilkent.edu.tr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E909D32151 for ; Thu, 5 Jun 2003 16:48:41 +0300 (EEST) Message-ID: <3EDF4BA4.4000500@bilkent.edu.tr> Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 16:54:44 +0300 From: Robin Turner User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.3) Gecko/20030313 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: Kempton/Kay and SWH References: <1054721185.301.45393.m12@yahoogroups.com> <20030605090345.GA962@panda.localdomain> In-Reply-To: <20030605090345.GA962@panda.localdomain> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS snapshot-20020531 X-archive-position: 5608 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: robin@bilkent.edu.tr Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list tk1@despammed.com wrote: > [Bob LeChevalier-Logical Language Group:] > > >>For Jordan and others who want to read more about the Kempton and Kay >>experiments, the second message in the digest below has an informal >>description by Kempton. >>http://listserv.linguistlist.org/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9110D&L=linguist&P=R1957 > > > Thanks for the link! The results seem to confirm what I suspected some time > ago: that the thought patterns produced by a language depends not only on > its syntactic grammar, but also the way it classifies concepts -- in > epistemological jargonology, the manner in which it divides up `semantic > space', which in the context of Lojban will be the way in which gismu and > cmavo semantics are distributed. > Whorf was more interested in the effects of grammar (despite his infamous "words for snow" observation) but grammar would be much harder to test for Whorfian effects. The closest I could think of to a gramatical equivelent of the Kempton and Kay colour tests would be something to do with perceptions of the time, duration and location of an event. robin.tr -- "A Perl script is "correct" if it gets the job done before your boss fires you." - Larry Wall Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Univeritesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin