From xod@thestonecutters.net Wed Jun 04 08:02:16 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 39789 invoked from network); 4 Jun 2003 15:02:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jun 2003 15:02:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO digitalkingdom.org) (204.152.186.175) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jun 2003 15:02:15 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.12) id 19NZmJ-0007ym-00 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 04 Jun 2003 08:02:15 -0700 Received: from digitalkingdom.org ([204.152.186.175] helo=chain) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19NZm5-0007s4-00; Wed, 04 Jun 2003 08:02:01 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Wed, 04 Jun 2003 08:01:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [66.111.194.10] (helo=granite.thestonecutters.net) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19NZlk-0007nE-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Wed, 04 Jun 2003 08:01:40 -0700 Received: from granite.thestonecutters.net (localhost.thestonecutters.net [127.0.0.1]) by granite.thestonecutters.net (8.12.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h54Evvue054399 for ; Wed, 4 Jun 2003 10:57:57 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from xod@thestonecutters.net) Received: from localhost (xod@localhost) by granite.thestonecutters.net (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) with ESMTP id h54EvvaN054396 for ; Wed, 4 Jun 2003 10:57:57 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from xod@thestonecutters.net) X-Authentication-Warning: granite.thestonecutters.net: xod owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 10:57:57 -0400 (EDT) To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: I saw three kinds of dogs In-Reply-To: <20030603203013.41849.qmail@web41903.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20030604105417.I53568-100000@granite.thestonecutters.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=X-UNKNOWN Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis X-archive-position: 5598 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: xod@thestonecutters.net Precedence: bulk X-list: lojban-list From: Invent Yourself Reply-To: xod@thestonecutters.net X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=110189215 X-Yahoo-Profile: throwing_back_the_apple X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 20079 On Tue, 3 Jun 2003, Jorge Llambías wrote: > > la xod cusku di'e > > > > {ci cnano gerku} would be "three normal dogs", if that's what > > > "three stereotypical dogs" means. > > > > Yes, I was asking how you would have said "three stereotypical dogs", > > assuming you wouldn't use le'e. > > I would use a brivla meaning "x1 is stereotypical in property x2". > If cnano covers that, then cnano would work, if not, then a suitable > lujvo or fu'ivla. I don't think that's a very frequently used concept > though. (Certainly not something that would require a special gadri!) > > > I understand your use of le'e here, but it's based on a nonstandard > > understanding of the multiplicity of stereotypes. > > I don't really base it on any understanding of stereotypes. For most people, there can be any number of stereotypical dogs, and each one they refer to as le'e gerku. For you, le'e gerku is the stereotype itself, of which there can only be one. (Let's not get distracted with the boundary cases.) -- .o'i mu xagji sofybakni cu zvati le purdi [Caution!] There are five hungry Soviet cows in the garden!