From xod@thestonecutters.net Mon Jun 02 18:31:35 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 20571 invoked from network); 3 Jun 2003 01:31:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jun 2003 01:31:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO digitalkingdom.org) (204.152.186.175) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jun 2003 01:31:34 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.12) id 19N0eE-0003L9-00 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 02 Jun 2003 18:31:34 -0700 Received: from digitalkingdom.org ([204.152.186.175] helo=chain) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19N0e6-0003Kq-00; Mon, 02 Jun 2003 18:31:26 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Mon, 02 Jun 2003 18:31:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [66.111.194.10] (helo=granite.thestonecutters.net) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19N0dx-0003Ke-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Mon, 02 Jun 2003 18:31:17 -0700 Received: from granite.thestonecutters.net (localhost.thestonecutters.net [127.0.0.1]) by granite.thestonecutters.net (8.12.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h531RTue012861 for ; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 21:27:29 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from xod@thestonecutters.net) Received: from localhost (xod@localhost) by granite.thestonecutters.net (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) with ESMTP id h531RTGj012858 for ; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 21:27:29 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from xod@thestonecutters.net) X-Authentication-Warning: granite.thestonecutters.net: xod owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 21:27:29 -0400 (EDT) To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: I saw three kinds of dogs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20030602212552.C11037-100000@granite.thestonecutters.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-archive-position: 5573 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: xod@thestonecutters.net Precedence: bulk X-list: lojban-list From: Invent Yourself Reply-To: xod@thestonecutters.net X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=110189215 X-Yahoo-Profile: throwing_back_the_apple X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 20054 On Tue, 3 Jun 2003, And Rosta wrote: > Pierre: > > How do you say that in colloquial Lojban? {ci da zo'u mi viska lo > > gerku be da} > > is formal, and {mi viska lo gerku be ci da} is wrong because a dog doesn't > > belong to three breeds at once > > Heaven forfend that we should perpetuate the notion that the former > is not colloquial, since overt prenexes are often unavoidable, except > by not saying what one really means. > > Seriously, zo'u is *the* way. The Lojban design provides a way to > say it, and zo'u is it. So the answer to your question is to > make zo'u colloquial. Then it's easy to say in colloquial Lojban. The verbosity of precise Lojban matches that of logicians' English! -- .o'i mu xagji sofybakni cu zvati le purdi [Caution!] There are five hungry Soviet cows in the garden!