From ptg_thug@yahoo.com Thu Jun 19 05:59:00 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: ptg_thug@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85810 invoked from network); 19 Jun 2003 12:58:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jun 2003 12:58:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.80) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jun 2003 12:58:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.147] by n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jun 2003 12:58:58 -0000 Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 12:58:56 -0000 To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: jbovlaste example. Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20030618223945.GW31909@digitalkingdom.org> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 768 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Travis" X-Originating-IP: 138.163.0.42 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=137024101 X-Yahoo-Profile: ptg_thug X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 20180 I'm not versed enough to weigh in on the formation of lujvo, so I'm not trying to dispute that. In the entry it comments that, "vacuum is never completely empty". The definition of vacuum is that it is completely empty. Just as the definition of zero gravity is the complete absence of gravity (or the forces of). Just because we've never observed a perfect vacuum or the lack of gravity, shouldn't affect the meanings of the words. We, as speakers, should accurately call orbit conditions "micro-gravity" and refrain from alluding to a lack of gravity. We, as speakers, should also note that space is a near vacuum. Just because unicorns don't actually exist doesn't mean the definition of unicorn is wrong. Travis Garris Norfolk, Va.