From phma@webjockey.net Wed Jun 04 16:20:25 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: phma@ixazon.dynip.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 35762 invoked from network); 4 Jun 2003 23:20:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jun 2003 23:20:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO blackcat.ixazon.lan) (208.150.110.21) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jun 2003 23:20:24 -0000 Received: by blackcat.ixazon.lan (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 503A544A8; Wed, 4 Jun 2003 23:20:23 +0000 (UTC) Organization: dis To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: I saw three kinds of dogs Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 19:20:22 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.5 References: <20030603203013.41849.qmail@web41903.mail.yahoo.com> <20030604105417.I53568-100000@granite.thestonecutters.net> <20030604172316.GE24636@skunk.reutershealth.com> In-Reply-To: <20030604172316.GE24636@skunk.reutershealth.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200306041920.22875.phma@webjockey.net> From: Pierre Abbat X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=92712300 X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 20084 On Wednesday 04 June 2003 13:23, John Cowan wrote: > Invent Yourself scripsit: > > For most people, there can be any number of stereotypical dogs, and each > > one they refer to as le'e gerku. For you, le'e gerku is the stereotype > > itself, of which there can only be one. (Let's not get distracted with > > the boundary cases.) > > I think there is only one le'e gerku for a given speaker at a given moment, > but it can vary across speakers and across time. I agree. It can refer to a stereotype, but really means "the typical dog of the dogs which I have in mind". For me, le'e xelso cu zgipli le'e relmeiskojgita, where le'e xelso is my stereotype of a Greek but le'e relmeiskojgita is not my stereotype of a relmeiskojgita but a baglamas or bouzouki. (I play the octave mandolin and the guitar, so my stereotypical relmeiskojgita is a mandolin or 12-string guitar.) For you, maybe le'e xelso cu tafstika. phma -- .i toljundi do .ibabo mi'afra tu'a do .ibabo damba do .ibabo do jinga .icu'u la ma'atman.