From lojban-out@lojban.org Fri Jun 13 07:44:42 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 12517 invoked from network); 13 Jun 2003 14:44:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jun 2003 14:44:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO digitalkingdom.org) (204.152.186.175) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jun 2003 14:44:40 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.12) id 19QpnE-0004aG-00 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 13 Jun 2003 07:44:40 -0700 Received: from digitalkingdom.org ([204.152.186.175] helo=chain) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19Qpmz-0004Wv-00; Fri, 13 Jun 2003 07:44:25 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Fri, 13 Jun 2003 07:44:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from web40409.mail.yahoo.com ([66.218.78.106]) by digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 19Qpmf-0004O2-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Fri, 13 Jun 2003 07:44:05 -0700 Message-ID: <20030613144334.75236.qmail@web40409.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [4.64.81.80] by web40409.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 13 Jun 2003 07:43:34 PDT Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 07:43:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [lojban] Re: Userfriendly Translation To: lojban-list@lojban.org In-Reply-To: <200306130445.00430.phma@webjockey.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 5657 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: kd5bjo@yahoo.com Precedence: bulk X-list: lojban-list X-eGroups-From: Eric Sumner From: Eric Sumner Reply-To: kd5bjo@yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 20138 --- Pierre Abbat wrote: > On Friday 13 June 2003 01:13, Eric Sumner wrote: > > For the first sentence: "Are you worried about going to jail, Martha?" > > I came up with two different translations: {doi martas. iipeida'i do klama > > le pifvasru} and {xu do terpa nu do klama le pifvasru}. The second > > one seems to be more accurate to the original text, but I believe the first > > one may mor accurately convey the intended meaning. Having no exposure to > > lojban, I don't know which of these is more appropriate. > > {iipeidai}(not {da'i}; that marks the subjunctive) asks Martha about someone > else's* feelings about going to jail. {iipei} is enough. > {iipei do klama le pifyvau} assumes that Martha is going to jail, or at least > thinking about it, and asks her fear about it. As Gregory has already guessed in the other reply, the reason I put the {da'i} into the sentence was to remove the assertion that Martha is going to jail. Is this incorrect usage? If it is incorrect, is there a similar form that conveys this? > > The other thing I translated from this comic was the first sentence of > > the second panel: "Prison is a terrifying journey through the concrete > > jungle of anger, with all of your liberties stripped from you." > > My translation of this is {le pifvasru cu simsa lenu .ii litru le .o'onai > > runrokci cicrictu'a poi ke'a vimcu lenu zifre le prenu ku'o}. I am fairly > > certain that the {o.onai} is not correct, because the speaker is not angry > > in this case. Unfortunately, I do not know how to correct this. > > I would say {pe lo kamfe'u ge'u} (without {ge'u}, the anger, not the jungle, > strips liberties (which should be {kamzi'e} or {zazyzi'e} or {lizyzi'e})). So... the more correct translation of this sentence would be {le pifyvasru cu simsa lenu .ii litru le runrokci cicrictu'a pe lo kamfe'u ge'u poi ke'a vimcu le kamzi'e}. -- Eric ===== $_='OooOoOoOOOoOoOOOOooOOsOdOOoOooohOodofoooOoooooOOrOoOOOfoOOoOOOOOOOoO ooOOoOoooOOooOoOOOOogoOooOooooroOoOodoooOOosoOoOOOOvodeoOoOOoOOoefddooOo oeosovofOeosoOoooOOooooOOrstuOoosocdOOfOaOoOoOOOdgOooOoOOOOooOooooOoOo'; s/[^oO]//g;foreach(/.{7}/g){tr/oO/01/;s/^/0b/;$_=oct;eval"print(v$_)";}; __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com