From sentto-44114-20458-1058886493-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Tue Jul 22 08:08:58 2003 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Tue, 22 Jul 2003 08:08:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com ([66.218.66.66]) by digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 19eykv-0001vT-00 for lojban-in@lojban.org; Tue, 22 Jul 2003 08:08:45 -0700 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-44114-20458-1058886493-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.95] by n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jul 2003 15:08:13 -0000 X-Sender: tk1@despammed.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 90236 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2003 15:08:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jul 2003 15:08:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.70) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jul 2003 15:08:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.119] by n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jul 2003 15:08:12 -0000 To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <00bd01c34fd4$8b5d1460$55350751@oemcomputer> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "c1tk" X-Originating-IP: 165.21.154.17 X-Yahoo-Profile: c1tk MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list lojban@yahoogroups.com; contact lojban-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list lojban@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 15:08:12 -0000 Subject: [lojban] zo'e, zi'o (was: Re: use of ko'a) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-archive-position: 5954 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: tk1@despammed.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list [And Rosta:] > The last time this was discussed (on jboske), the eventual consensus > among > the discussants (including me & Lojbab; I can't remember who else) > was that > zo'e can be zi'o. But overt zo'e cannot in good Gricean faith be (Perhaps I should be posting to jboske, but I thought I would rant here first.) This is bad -- if it becomes official, I will have to rename the language "tolylojban". The main problem is that each gismu can acquire many meanings, so instead of a single predicate tavla(w, x, y, z) we have several underlying predicates tavla_0() (for e.g. {tavla}), tavla_1(w) (for e.g. {mi tavla}), tavla_2(x, y) (for e.g. {tavla do ri}), etc. And I thought the Lojban creators were bent on removing polysemy... Besides, there are better ways to solve the gismu blotation problem than to muck up the semantics of the whole language, such as removing little-used role places, and creating lujvo for specific senses. Sorry, just had to rant. ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges & Refill Kits for Your Epson at Myinks.com Free shipping on orders $50 or more to the US and Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5705&lp=home/epson.asp http://us.click.yahoo.com/brYXfA/_xWGAA/ySSFAA/GSaulB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe, send mail to lojban-unsubscribe@onelist.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/