From a.rosta@lycos.co.uk Wed Jul 23 02:23:16 2003 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Wed, 23 Jul 2003 02:23:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lmsmtp01.st1.spray.net ([212.78.202.111]) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19fFpt-0004Pu-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Wed, 23 Jul 2003 02:23:01 -0700 Received: from oemcomputer (host81-7-55-202.surfport24.v21.co.uk [81.7.55.202]) by lmsmtp01.st1.spray.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 999EF1E793 for ; Wed, 23 Jul 2003 11:22:28 +0200 (MEST) Message-ID: <001701c350fb$f355b680$ca370751@oemcomputer> From: "And Rosta" To: References: <20030721180838.U72693-100000@granite.thestonecutters.net> <00df01c34fd9$2cf11340$55350751@oemcomputer> <20030722005320.GA61835@allusion.net> <3F1CE8E8.5050000@bilkent.edu.tr> <002a01c35053$0845b6c0$c2e1fea9@oemcomputer> <20030723025312.GA70208@allusion.net> Subject: [lojban] Re: le du Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 10:17:57 +0100 Organization: Livagian Consulate MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-archive-position: 5959 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: a.rosta@lycos.co.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list Jordan: > On Tue, Jul 22, 2003 at 02:12:26PM +0100, And Rosta wrote: > > However, if one goes to the trouble of using explicit zo'e, one > > could equally well go the trouble of choosing a more precise > > sumti. > > Only if that other sumti is <= 2 syllables. > Otherwise (and more probably) it is more trouble. But there will always be a one or two syllable phrase that is more precise than zo'e -- e.g. da or ledu, unless da/de/di are all already used and one has to start using daxi. That said, using zo'e instead of da does save having to worry about quantifier scope, and that is quite a good reason to use explicit zo'e. But if that were the only good reason, then explicit zo'e would griceanly come to "quantified variable with vague scope". --And.