From xod@thestonecutters.net Sun Jul 20 15:25:04 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98435 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2003 22:25:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jul 2003 22:25:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO digitalkingdom.org) (64.81.49.134) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jul 2003 22:25:03 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.12) id 19eMc3-0000U2-00 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 20 Jul 2003 15:25:03 -0700 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.49.134]) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19eMbU-0000TA-00; Sun, 20 Jul 2003 15:24:28 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Sun, 20 Jul 2003 15:24:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [66.111.194.10] (helo=granite.thestonecutters.net) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19eMbI-0000Sb-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Sun, 20 Jul 2003 15:24:16 -0700 Received: from granite.thestonecutters.net (localhost.thestonecutters.net [127.0.0.1]) by granite.thestonecutters.net (8.12.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h6KLP4VH055888 for ; Sun, 20 Jul 2003 17:25:04 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from xod@thestonecutters.net) Received: from localhost (xod@localhost) by granite.thestonecutters.net (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) with ESMTP id h6KLOx6V055876 for ; Sun, 20 Jul 2003 17:25:04 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from xod@thestonecutters.net) X-Authentication-Warning: granite.thestonecutters.net: xod owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 17:24:59 -0400 (EDT) To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: use of ko'a In-Reply-To: <20030719185926.GC963@digitalkingdom.org> Message-ID: <20030720171649.M53582-100000@granite.thestonecutters.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-archive-position: 5926 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: xod@thestonecutters.net Precedence: bulk X-list: lojban-list From: Invent Yourself Reply-To: xod@thestonecutters.net X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=110189215 X-Yahoo-Profile: throwing_back_the_apple X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 20408 On Sat, 19 Jul 2003, Robin Lee Powell wrote: > On Fri, Jul 18, 2003 at 07:01:19PM +0300, Robin Turner wrote: > > When I said "you would only use it", I didn't mean "you can never > > use it in any other way." Unbound ko'a is grammatical, but > > stylistically I think it's malglico. > > I disagree. > > le mi mamta mamta cu mutce nelci le karce .i ko'a ji'a nelci le > ladru > > I don't see that anyone's going to have much confusion there, and > since I presumably intend to deliver a bunch more sentences > involving le mi mamta mamta, it seems a reasonable thing to do. This is not the most convincing use of unbound ko'a, for reasons which have already been discovered. Suppose we want to introduce a new variable, without claiming existence, and which lasts longer than da does (gets reset after every bridi, they say!) but by position, without altering the bridi structure simply to expose the sumti for goiery? le mi mamta mamta cu nelci le karce be fi ko'a .i ku'i ko'a ckape .i ko stidi ma mi -- The Pentagon group believed it had a visionary strategy that would transform Iraq into an ally of Israel, remove a potential threat to the Persian Gulf oil trade and encircle Iran with U.S. friends and allies...