From xod@thestonecutters.net Thu Jul 17 14:08:46 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6398 invoked from network); 17 Jul 2003 21:08:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jul 2003 21:08:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO digitalkingdom.org) (64.81.49.134) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jul 2003 21:08:46 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.12) id 19dFzZ-0002Qr-00 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 17 Jul 2003 14:08:45 -0700 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.49.134]) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19dFzU-0002QW-00; Thu, 17 Jul 2003 14:08:40 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Thu, 17 Jul 2003 14:08:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [66.111.194.10] (helo=granite.thestonecutters.net) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19dFzJ-0002Nl-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Thu, 17 Jul 2003 14:08:29 -0700 Received: from granite.thestonecutters.net (localhost.thestonecutters.net [127.0.0.1]) by granite.thestonecutters.net (8.12.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h6HL4QVH078393 for ; Thu, 17 Jul 2003 17:04:26 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from xod@thestonecutters.net) Received: from localhost (xod@localhost) by granite.thestonecutters.net (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) with ESMTP id h6HL4QKX078390 for ; Thu, 17 Jul 2003 17:04:26 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from xod@thestonecutters.net) X-Authentication-Warning: granite.thestonecutters.net: xod owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 17:04:26 -0400 (EDT) To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: describing people In-Reply-To: <3F17108D.5030501@bilkent.edu.tr> Message-ID: <20030717170404.U65753-100000@granite.thestonecutters.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-archive-position: 5902 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: xod@thestonecutters.net Precedence: bulk X-list: lojban-list From: Invent Yourself Reply-To: xod@thestonecutters.net X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=110189215 X-Yahoo-Profile: throwing_back_the_apple X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 20384 On Fri, 18 Jul 2003, Robin Turner wrote: > John Cowan wrote: > > Craig scripsit: > > > > > >>How do you ask what someone looks like? I don't want the answer to be "a > >>fish" but rather a description of the person's appearance. > > > > > > I first thought of "ko'a simlu ma", but "ko'a selski fo ma" would be > > more precise. > > > "ko'a simlu ma" would indeed invite the answer "lo finpe". > > ta'o k'ie doi kreig. ... > > be careful about "ko'a" - it's very tempting to use it to translate > he/she/it, and this is _wrong_. "ko'a" should be one of the rarer > pro-sumti, since you would only use it if you felt it useful to > specifically assign a pro-sumti to a person or thing. Given that you're > writing a story KO'A may be appropriate, but I've seen too many cases > where people use "ko'a" when they really want "ti" or "ri". Why not allow ko'a to be defined positionally, as da is? -- The Pentagon group believed it had a visionary strategy that would transform Iraq into an ally of Israel, remove a potential threat to the Persian Gulf oil trade and encircle Iran with U.S. friends and allies...