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Subject: [lojban] Re: le du
Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 10:17:57 +0100
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From: "And Rosta" <a.rosta@lycos.co.uk>
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Jordan:
> On Tue, Jul 22, 2003 at 02:12:26PM +0100, And Rosta wrote:
> > However, if one goes to the trouble of using explicit zo'e, one
> > could equally well go the trouble of choosing a more precise
> > sumti.
>
> Only if that other sumti is <= 2 syllables.
> Otherwise (and more probably) it is more trouble.

But there will always be a one or two syllable phrase that is
more precise than zo'e -- e.g. da or ledu, unless da/de/di are
all already used and one has to start using daxi.

That said, using zo'e instead of da does save having to worry
about quantifier scope, and that is quite a good reason to use
explicit zo'e. But if that were the only good reason, then
explicit zo'e would griceanly come to "quantified variable
with vague scope".

--And.