From a.rosta@lycos.co.uk Fri Jul 11 11:49:26 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 73964 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2003 18:49:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jul 2003 18:49:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO digitalkingdom.org) (204.152.186.175) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jul 2003 18:49:10 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.12) id 19b2xC-0004L6-00 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 11:49:10 -0700 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([204.152.186.175]) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19b2x4-0004Km-00; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 11:49:02 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Fri, 11 Jul 2003 11:48:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lmsmtp02.st1.spray.net ([212.78.202.112]) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19b2ws-0004KV-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 11:48:50 -0700 Received: from oemcomputer (host81-7-62-11.surfport24.v21.co.uk [81.7.62.11]) by lmsmtp02.st1.spray.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1744E5B6AE for ; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 20:48:18 +0200 (MEST) Message-ID: <002801c347dc$fe201b00$02e1fea9@oemcomputer> To: References: <20030711174509.77537.qmail@web41905.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: [lojban] Re: "Game", "Player" Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 19:43:47 +0100 Organization: Livagian Consulate MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-archive-position: 5865 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: a.rosta@lycos.co.uk Precedence: bulk X-list: lojban-list From: "And Rosta" Reply-To: a.rosta@lycos.co.uk X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=122260811 X-Yahoo-Profile: andjamin X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 20346 xorxes: > With {ka'e} you make a statement of fact, not a rule. A rule has to > allow or forbid something. Most or many linguists see language rules as like a game's rules, and the majority of these linguists see language rules not as allowing or forbidding but simply as defining (what counts as a sentence of the language; what counts as a playing of the game). So if you (implicitly) add to Craig's rules a clause "ro da go da is an instance of this game gi" and then list all the rules (appropriately connected by ANDs and ORs), then Craig's ka'e would be preferable to e'a. --And.