From sentto-44114-20637-1063284371-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Thu Sep 11 05:46:50 2003 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Thu, 11 Sep 2003 05:46:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com ([66.218.66.99]) by digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 19xQqQ-0001RT-00 for lojban-in@lojban.org; Thu, 11 Sep 2003 05:46:42 -0700 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-44114-20637-1063284371-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.157] by n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Sep 2003 12:46:11 -0000 X-Sender: xah@xahlee.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 80688 invoked from network); 11 Sep 2003 12:46:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Sep 2003 12:46:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO host2-4.remarkablehosting.net) (208.186.130.4) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Sep 2003 12:46:10 -0000 X-ClientAddr: 172.196.158.84 Received: from xahlee.org (ACC49E54.ipt.aol.com [172.196.158.84]) (authenticated (0 bits)) by host2-4.remarkablehosting.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h8BCk6p19200; Thu, 11 Sep 2003 08:46:07 -0400 Cc: lojban@yahoogroups.com To: Pierre Abbat In-Reply-To: <200309061943.58542.phma@webjockey.net> Message-Id: <88BE3C55-E44D-11D7-9AA7-000A9576C498@xahlee.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) X-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-ILON-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-eGroups-From: xah From: xah X-Yahoo-Profile: p0lyglut MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list lojban@yahoogroups.com; contact lojban-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list lojban@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 04:46:08 -0700 Subject: [lojban] Re: deciphering the gismu list Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis X-archive-position: 6133 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: yahoo@xahlee.org Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list Thanks Pierre Abbat. But is there an authoritative answer here? who's responsible for this gismu list? Xah xah@xahlee.org http://xahlee.org/PageTwo_dir/more.html On Saturday, September 6, 2003, at 04:43 PM, Pierre Abbat wrote: > On Saturday 06 September 2003 18:39, xah wrote: > > ( http://www.lojban.org/publications/wordlists/gismu.txt ) > > > > is there a format spec for the gismu list? > > > > i.e.  a sample line from the gismu list looks like this: > > > > > > pensi pes     pei  think                'pensive'            x1 > > thinks/considers/cogitates/reasons/is pensive about/reflects upon > > subject/concept x2          3l 164    [also: x1 is thoughtful (one > > sense); x2 is mental (one sense)/intellectual (one sense) (= > selpei)]; > > (cf. cmavo list pe'i, jijnu, menli, morji, sidbo, jinvi, se nabmi, > > minra, lanli, besna, saske, skami) > > > > > > Multiple spaces are used as column separators. What are "pes" and > > "pei"? and what's the diff between the semantic position at "think" > and > > "'pensive'"? > > "pes" and "pei" are called "rafsi". They are forms used in compound > words, > such as "nunpei" (thought, the event of thinking) and "selpei" > (thought, a > thing one thinks). The word in single quotes is often a word that is > phonetically more similar than the gloss to the Lojban word, e.g. for > "basti" > the word is "substitute", which has four letters in common in order > with it. > > > What does the "3l 164" refers to? > > I think those are usage statistics, used to decide which words get > more rafsi. > > phma > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for Your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at Myinks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/l.m7sD/LIdGAA/qnsNAA/GSaulB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe, send mail to lojban-unsubscribe@onelist.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/