From sentto-44114-20711-1063838603-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Wed Sep 17 15:44:09 2003 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Wed, 17 Sep 2003 15:44:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com ([66.218.66.81]) by digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 19zl1f-0001M4-00 for lojban-in@lojban.org; Wed, 17 Sep 2003 15:43:55 -0700 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-44114-20711-1063838603-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.199] by n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Sep 2003 22:43:24 -0000 X-Sender: ragnarok@pobox.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 95636 invoked from network); 17 Sep 2003 22:43:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Sep 2003 22:43:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp.intrex.net) (209.42.192.250) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Sep 2003 22:43:23 -0000 Received: from craig [209.42.212.114] by smtp.intrex.net (SMTPD32-7.13) id A39040750036; Wed, 17 Sep 2003 18:43:28 -0400 To: "lojban list" Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <20030917215744.GA13203@vicerveza.menta.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal X-Declude-Sender: ragnarok@pobox.com [209.42.212.114] From: "Craig" X-Yahoo-Profile: kreig_daniyl MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list lojban@yahoogroups.com; contact lojban-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list lojban@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 18:43:20 -0400 Subject: [lojban] Re: That's mostly for spanish readers Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-archive-position: 6207 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: ragnarok@pobox.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list >Here it goes (it was sent to me by a friend as a joke): >"Sgeun un etsduio de una uivenrsdiad ignlsea, no ipmotra el odren en el >que las ltears etsan ersciats, la uicna csoa ipormtnate es que la pmrirea y la >utlima ltera esten ecsritas en la psiocion cocrrtea. El rsteo peuden estar >ttaolmntee mal y aun pordas lerelo sin pobrleams. Etso es pquore no lemeos cada >ltera por si msima snio que la paalbra es un tdoo." >I don't know of any spanish-speaker in the lojbangirz but xorxes. I speak reasonable Spanish; I'm not quite fluent writtenly and a bit weaker spokenly. However, for non-speakers, I'll try an English translation: Acocndirg to a sdtuy by an Elginsh uivenrstiy, the odrer in wchih ltetrs are witretn dosne't mtaetr; the olny tinhg taht mtetars is that the fisrt and lsat letetr be wtitren in the crorcet psiotion. The rset can be ttoally wonrg and you can siltl raed it wituoht porbelms. Tihs is bceusae we dno't raed eervy ltteer by istlef but isentad the wrod as a wolhe. Note that I don't find the above to be true; there are further restrictions that seem to be maintained in the original and which I have tried to keep in the translation. For instance, any recognizable endings (-tion, for instance) must remain intact. Generally also the second-to-last letter, when the last is a pluralizing morpheme, should be intact as well. Now someone just has to try a Lojban version! -- .kreig.daniyl. "You should definitely use objective, rational means to arrive at a considered opinion. I recommend flipping a coin." -Mark Shoulson ragnarok@pobox.com teucer@bnomic.org ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy quality ink cartridges & refill kit. Remanufactured & Refills for: HP $8-20, Epson $3-9, Canon $5-15. FREE shipping over $50 (US & Canada). http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=6347 http://us.click.yahoo.com/lB7L3D/k5uGAA/qnsNAA/GSaulB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe, send mail to lojban-unsubscribe@onelist.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/