From gregory.dyke@epfl.ch Thu Sep 18 12:25:24 2003 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Thu, 18 Sep 2003 12:25:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from imap.epfl.ch ([128.178.50.10] ident=mailsrv) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A04Ow-0007GO-00 for lojban-en@lojban.org; Thu, 18 Sep 2003 12:25:14 -0700 Received: from imap.epfl.ch (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by imap.epfl.ch (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.0 Patch 3 (built Mar 23 2001)) with ESMTP id <0HLF00MOUCM0Y2@imap.epfl.ch> for lojban-en@lojban.org; Thu, 18 Sep 2003 21:25:12 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from [213.3.155.63] by imap.epfl.ch (mshttpd); Thu, 18 Sep 2003 21:25:11 +0200 Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 21:25:11 +0200 From: GREGORY DYKE Subject: [lojban] Re: That's mostly for spanish readers To: xah Cc: lojban-en@lojban.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: iPlanet Webmail Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-language: en Content-disposition: inline X-Accept-Language: en X-archive-position: 6224 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: gregory.dyke@epfl.ch Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list In spite of Robin's request that we just shut up, I still feel the need to pursue the point. Xah: > such "stories" is a probable folk lore, esp the way now they are > being > spread. They have a lot to do with social psychology. Ok, I completely missed the point that this was passing itself off as the results of actual *research*. Obviously, noone is going to do any actual research about this, since the conclusions are self-evident - we know perfectly well that most of human communication has more to do with glorking than any actual rules. > Did you know that you can actually randomize paragraphs of any > book and > lose no understanding? Poppycock! try this with CLL for a start - then try with - say - "An introduction to western philosophy". Glorking, combined with short term memory and the fact that people are very poor at structuring emails in the first place (thus training the brain to reorder paragraphs anyway), means that you could do this with my email. I > have > also learned that Eskimo has a hundred words for snow. So does English, so what!? Lojban is cool because it can write these words with or without spaces, mirroring itself at will on Eskimo or English. I did probably think the idea was overly cool - as evidenced by my kneejerk reply, but your manner of dismissing the idea was annoying: - It does not necessarily deserve such off-handed dismissal - it is a more interesting point than many. - This is not the sort of list where people feel the need to all say "hey yeah, this is right" , "me too" , "wow! that is so cool" - It would probably have trouble working in lojban - what does this say for lojban being a "human-readable" language. It may be important to congnitive science to find out how the human brain copes with lojban's stringent rules. Just how different from other languages does having the wierdest morphology ever make lojban? Greg