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Subject: [lojban] Re: Shakespearian word order
Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 16:13:59 +0100
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From: "And Rosta" <a.rosta@lycos.co.uk>
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xorxes:
> la and cusku di'e
> > > > FOOL: All thy other titles thou hast given away:
> > > >       That thou wast born with.
> > > >
> > > We can imitate the strange word order in Lojban by using a postnex:
> > >  ro le do drata noltcita do se bejdu'a zo'au ny poi do se jinzi
> >
> > {ro lo do drata noltcita poi do se jinzi} is better meaningwise. I
> > can't see a way to get that with the discontinuous/extrapositional
> > word order.
>
> I'd say:
>
> 1)   ro lo do drata noltcita poi do se jinzi ku'o do se bejdu'a
>
> 2)   ro lo do drata noltcita do se bejdu'a zo'au ny poi do se jinzi
>
> are identical in meaning.

What does {ny} refer to in (2), exactly? I simply don't see a way for (2)
to work.

> What else could the dislocated restrictive phrase do?

Partly it depends on the function of postnexes, but setting that aside,
{ny poi do se jinzi} should refer to a subkind of whatever {ny} refers to.

If {ny} refers to lo do drata noltcita, then we want to end up saying
not {ro lo do drata noltcita} but {ro ny poi do se jinzi}.

So what I don't get is how {ny poi do se jinzi} in the postnex manages to
express the meaning "replace the antecedent of {ny} by {ny poi do se
jinzi}".

--And.