From lojban-out@lojban.org Sun Sep 14 04:04:04 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 86310 invoked from network); 14 Sep 2003 11:04:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Sep 2003 11:04:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO digitalkingdom.org) (64.81.49.134) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Sep 2003 11:04:03 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.12) id 19yUfj-0006cH-00 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 14 Sep 2003 04:04:03 -0700 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.49.134]) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19yUeZ-0006a8-00; Sun, 14 Sep 2003 04:02:51 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Sun, 14 Sep 2003 04:02:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from imap.epfl.ch ([128.178.50.10] ident=mailsrv) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19yUeP-0006Zs-00; Sun, 14 Sep 2003 04:02:41 -0700 Received: from imap.epfl.ch (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by imap.epfl.ch (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.0 Patch 3 (built Mar 23 2001)) with ESMTP id <0HL700K08AOF3I@imap.epfl.ch>; Sun, 14 Sep 2003 13:02:39 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from [62.202.154.174] by imap.epfl.ch (mshttpd); Sun, 14 Sep 2003 13:02:39 +0200 Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 13:02:39 +0200 Subject: [lojban] Text for beginners - chrestomathy part 1 To: lojban-list@lojban.org, lojban-beginners@lojban.org, lojban-fr@lojban.org Message-id: <8ad9699f.699f8ad9@imap.epfl.ch> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: iPlanet Webmail Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-language: en Content-disposition: inline X-Accept-Language: en X-archive-position: 6142 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: gregory.dyke@epfl.ch Precedence: bulk X-list: lojban-list X-eGroups-From: GREGORY DYKE From: GREGORY DYKE Reply-To: gregory.dyke@epfl.ch X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 20624 Hi (apologies for cross-posting and for writing in English) As some of you may or may not know, I am editing a collection of lojbanic texts for the purpose of publishing a chrestomathy. I feel that the most important thing lacking to a lojban beginner is a collection of texts which are relatively simple, with the finer grammatical points explained and, in my opinion most importantly, whose vocabulary has been extracted, allowing it to be learnt before reading the story. Here is the first story I've worked on: la pexkerf .e le ci cribe, submitted by John Cowan. http://ic2.epfl.ch/~dyke/chrestomathy/goldilocks-txt.html A complete wordlist for this text can be found at http://ic2.epfl.ch/~dyke/chrestomathy/goldilocks-wor.html I need beginners to tell me how I can improve the content to facilitate their reading. In particular, how can I improve the wordlist? It is also important that the text be carefully scrutinised to remove any semantical errors - it currently parses through jbofi'e. I wrote my own definitions for the cmavo, in order to - hopefully - make their meaning more readily available - any improvements will be welcome. I'm wondering whether or not to include translation. If so, do you want stilted malylojbo english or a more fluid translation? I'd like to include some grammatical commentary : as this text deals - in particular - with event-NU cmavo and causal modals, a piece explaining their various uses with good examples would be most welcome. Aside from that, I only have two other texts for the chrestomathy - I haven't started working on either yet - so any submissions would be great! Gregory -- e'osai ko sarji la lojban - www.lojban.org