From xod@thestonecutters.net Mon Sep 15 13:58:56 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 40188 invoked from network); 15 Sep 2003 20:58:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Sep 2003 20:58:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO digitalkingdom.org) (64.81.49.134) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Sep 2003 20:58:55 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.12) id 19z0Qx-0001Jw-00 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 15 Sep 2003 13:58:55 -0700 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.49.134]) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19z0Q6-0001Io-00; Mon, 15 Sep 2003 13:58:02 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Mon, 15 Sep 2003 13:58:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [66.111.194.10] (helo=granite.thestonecutters.net) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19z0Pu-0001HV-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Mon, 15 Sep 2003 13:57:50 -0700 Received: from granite.thestonecutters.net (localhost.thestonecutters.net [127.0.0.1]) by granite.thestonecutters.net (8.12.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h8FKqwOV030553 for ; Mon, 15 Sep 2003 16:52:58 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from xod@thestonecutters.net) Received: from localhost (xod@localhost) by granite.thestonecutters.net (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) with ESMTP id h8FKqwaM030550 for ; Mon, 15 Sep 2003 16:52:58 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from xod@thestonecutters.net) X-Authentication-Warning: granite.thestonecutters.net: xod owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 16:52:58 -0400 (EDT) To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: [cwkaiser@hotmail.com: ] In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20030915165049.E22395-100000@granite.thestonecutters.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-archive-position: 6181 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: xod@thestonecutters.net Precedence: bulk X-list: lojban-list From: Invent Yourself Reply-To: xod@thestonecutters.net X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=110189215 X-Yahoo-Profile: throwing_back_the_apple X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 20663 On Mon, 15 Sep 2003, Craig wrote: > >.iicaise'anaicai cevni .i ka'amru le stedu > > It does not actually assert a god, only addresses one, so the first bridi is > worng. If the "god" bit is taken literally, it would be: tu'a le selta'a cu nibli le ka ce'u veju'o zasti > doi cevni da le mi stedu cu ka'amru na toldrani -- Economic power is exercised by means of a positive, by offering men a reward, an incentive, a payment, a value; political power is exercised by means of a negative, by the threat of punishment, injury, imprisonment, destruction. The businessman's tool is values; the bureaucrat's tool is fear.