From yahoo@xahlee.org Sat Sep 13 19:06:19 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: xah@xahlee.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 81726 invoked from network); 14 Sep 2003 02:06:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Sep 2003 02:06:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO host2-4.remarkablehosting.net) (208.186.130.4) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Sep 2003 02:06:18 -0000 X-ClientAddr: 172.194.234.188 Received: from xahlee.org (ACC2EABC.ipt.aol.com [172.194.234.188]) (authenticated (0 bits)) by host2-4.remarkablehosting.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h8E269p03392; Sat, 13 Sep 2003 22:06:10 -0400 Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 19:06:03 -0700 Subject: Re: [lojban] deciphering the gismu list Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Cc: lojban@yahoogroups.com To: Bob LeChevalier In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20030911085151.06638260@pop.east.cox.net> Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) X-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-ILON-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-eGroups-From: xah From: xah X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=157844469 X-Yahoo-Profile: p0lyglut X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 20621 Thanks Bob LeChevalier for the authoritative reply. Shouldn't the format spec as you just gave given somewhere on the site=20 along with the gismu list? Xah xah@xahlee.org http://xahlee.org/PageTwo_dir/more.html Xah Lee wrote: > is there a format spec for the gismu list? > > i.e.=A0 a sample line from the gismu list looks like this: > > pensi pes=A0=A0=A0=A0 pei=A0 think=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0 'pensive'=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 x1 > thinks/considers/cogitates/reasons/is pensive about/reflects upon > subject/concept x2=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 3l 164=A0=A0=A0 [also: x1 i= s thoughtful (one > sense); x2 is mental (one sense)/intellectual (one sense) (=3D selpei)]; > (cf. cmavo list pe'i, jijnu, menli, morji, sidbo, jinvi, se nabmi, > minra, lanli, besna, saske, skami) On Thursday, September 11, 2003, at 06:04 AM, Bob LeChevalier wrote: > Columns 1-5 is the gismu itself > 6-19 are up to three assigned rafsi, with position in the field=20 > indicating > the form CVC CCV or CVV > 20-39 is the English keyword - a unique word useful for remembering the > word but not necessarily a definition; being unique was more critical=20 > than > being definitional > 41-60 is a hint word which may be an alternate word with related=20 > meaning > that may be used as a memory aid (these might not be unique or=20 > unambiguous) > 62-157 official place structure definition > 159-160 letter and number code associating the word with the original > Lojban textbook outline to give the intended teaching order. > 161-164 a frequency count from 1993, giving an ordering based on usage=20 > up > to that point > The latter two were used to generate non-alphabetical sorted lists=20 > based on > two plausible ordering in which one might want to learn the words. > 165+ contains additional information that did not fit into the place > structure field, generally explanatory, with cross-references to=20 > related words. > > Originally, only the first three fields were baselined, but the=20 > community > has treated the entire document as frozen for several years.=A0 The byfy= =20 > is > responsible for making any changes to it at this point. > > lojbab > > -- > lojbab=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 lojbab@l= ojban.org > Bob LeChevalier, Founder, The Logical Language Group > (Opinions are my own; I do not speak for the organization.) > Artificial language Loglan/Lojban:=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=20 > http://www.lojban.org >