From jjllambias2000@yahoo.com.ar Tue Sep 30 07:50:10 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 45213 invoked from network); 30 Sep 2003 14:50:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Sep 2003 14:50:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO digitalkingdom.org) (64.81.49.134) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Sep 2003 14:50:09 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.12) id 1A4LpJ-0001WP-00 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 30 Sep 2003 07:50:09 -0700 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.49.134]) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A4Lop-0001Vm-00; Tue, 30 Sep 2003 07:49:39 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Tue, 30 Sep 2003 07:49:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from web41902.mail.yahoo.com ([66.218.93.153]) by digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A4LoR-0001VN-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Tue, 30 Sep 2003 07:49:15 -0700 Message-ID: <20030930144843.82056.qmail@web41902.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [200.49.74.2] by web41902.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 30 Sep 2003 07:48:43 PDT Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 07:48:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [lojban] Re: Trying to follow XXS To: lojban-list@lojban.org In-Reply-To: <20030930134639.GB1691@mit.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 6324 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias2000@yahoo.com.ar Precedence: bulk X-list: lojban-list From: Jorge "Llambías" Reply-To: jjllambias2000@yahoo.com.ar X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=142311107 X-Yahoo-Profile: jjllambias2000 X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 20806 la rab.spir cusku di'e > I'd mention > this on the Wiki, but there's already such a teeming mass of commentary > around all the proposed gadri systems (and, as far as I can tell, rather > limited RecentChanges functionality on Tiki) that any new comments would > be lost in the mess. New comments posted as "comments" are lost because they are not announced anywhere (as far as I know). At least they won't be noticed much unless someone happens to check that page. But if you comment under "discuss", there is a mailing list where this will go to (the wiki-discuss list), so that would be the best forum to use for this. > * What's all this about xod-collectives? Is there some reason that lVi > should be this construct instead of the usual fuzzy collective? The ususal collective is handled in XS by bare {lo PA}/{le PA}, so this proposal is to give the lVi forms a more restricted meaning. > * Why is alternative B there? If you want to make a distributive > into a collective, you should just use {lu'o}, not rearrange the > meanings of several cmavo to make way for your new word that does this. > I'm no conservative, but that's an absurd amount of tinkering. {lu'o} won't do what alternative B wants, at least not in any well understood manner. But we don't have a consensus on what lu'o does in any case. > * What's with the change to MOI tacked on? It seems like a good idea if > I understand it correctly (let {memimoi} be just {mimoi}), but what does > it have to do with gadri? Shouldn't it be a separate issue? I'm not sure it can be implemented though, maintaining the parser constraints. mu'o mi'e xorxes __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com