From lojban-out@lojban.org Tue Sep 30 06:58:10 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 77268 invoked from network); 30 Sep 2003 13:58:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Sep 2003 13:58:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO digitalkingdom.org) (64.81.49.134) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Sep 2003 13:58:10 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.12) id 1A4L0z-00015m-00 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 30 Sep 2003 06:58:09 -0700 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.49.134]) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A4L0V-00015O-00; Tue, 30 Sep 2003 06:57:39 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Tue, 30 Sep 2003 06:57:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pacific-carrier-annex.mit.edu ([18.7.21.83]) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A4L08-00015A-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Tue, 30 Sep 2003 06:57:16 -0700 Received: from grand-central-station.mit.edu (GRAND-CENTRAL-STATION.MIT.EDU [18.7.21.82]) by pacific-carrier-annex.mit.edu (8.12.4/8.9.2) with ESMTP id h8UDvEB4029637 for ; Tue, 30 Sep 2003 09:57:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from melbourne-city-street.mit.edu (MELBOURNE-CITY-STREET.MIT.EDU [18.7.21.86]) by grand-central-station.mit.edu (8.12.4/8.9.2) with ESMTP id h8UDknlJ002621 for ; Tue, 30 Sep 2003 09:46:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from torg.mit.edu (TORG.MIT.EDU [18.208.0.57]) ) by melbourne-city-street.mit.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id h8UDkmpk007586 for ; Tue, 30 Sep 2003 09:46:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rob by torg.mit.edu with local (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1A4Kpr-0000SH-00 for ; Tue, 30 Sep 2003 09:46:39 -0400 Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 09:46:39 -0400 To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Trying to follow XXS Message-ID: <20030930134639.GB1691@mit.edu> Mail-Followup-To: lojban-list@lojban.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline X-Is-It-Not-Nifty: www.sluggy.com User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i X-archive-position: 6322 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: rspeer@MIT.EDU Precedence: bulk X-list: lojban-list X-eGroups-From: Rob Speer From: Rob Speer Reply-To: rspeer@MIT.EDU X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 20804 As someone who hasn't been part of the involved jboske discussions, I find XXS to be a very pleasing gadri system. In general, I like the idea of changing the meaning of {lo PA} and letting the other gadri keep something like their original meanings. (See http://www.lojban.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=XXS:%20Extended%20XS%20proposal for what I'm referring to.) However, some things strike me as bafflingly odd about it. I'd mention this on the Wiki, but there's already such a teeming mass of commentary around all the proposed gadri systems (and, as far as I can tell, rather limited RecentChanges functionality on Tiki) that any new comments would be lost in the mess. * What's all this about xod-collectives? Is there some reason that lVi should be this construct instead of the usual fuzzy collective? * Why is alternative B there? If you want to make a distributive into a collective, you should just use {lu'o}, not rearrange the meanings of several cmavo to make way for your new word that does this. I'm no conservative, but that's an absurd amount of tinkering. * What's with the change to MOI tacked on? It seems like a good idea if I understand it correctly (let {memimoi} be just {mimoi}), but what does it have to do with gadri? Shouldn't it be a separate issue? -- mu'o mi'e rab.spir