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From: "And Rosta" <a.rosta@lycos.co.uk>
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Subject: [lojban] Re: consolation
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 00:09:55 +0100
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xorxes:
> --- Martin Bays <mbays@freeshell.org> wrote:
> > So what brivla unambiguously corresponds to mo'u, in the way sisti does
to
> > co'u?
>
> Let's see.
>
> {mulno} is not problematic when the x1 involves a change of state.
> {le nu klama cu mulno} says that the going is complete, i.e. that
> the goer has reached the destination. Similarly {le nu binxo
> cu mulno} and {le nu zbasu cu mulno} are clear.
>
> The problem appears when x1 is a state. Does {le nu mi gleki
> cu mulno} mean that my happiness is complete, or that I'm no
> longer happy? States don't have a temporal completion point,
> so a state is complete when it is in some sense saturated,
> if I could not be happier then my happiness is complete.
> That is what I take {mulno} to mean when x1 is a state.

I would take mulno to mean "finished" & hence no state can be
a mulno. IOW either {le nu mi gleki cu mulno} is false, or
le nu mi gleki is not a state but a finishable event.

--And.