From viric@vicerveza.homeunix.net Fri Oct 24 05:39:17 2003 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Fri, 24 Oct 2003 05:39:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from yuha.menta.net ([212.78.128.42]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AD1Dc-0001tS-7G for lojban-list@lojban.org; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 05:39:04 -0700 Received: from gibson.menta.net ([212.78.128.22]) by yuha.menta.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id HN9HVM00.LLI for ; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 14:40:34 +0200 Received: from vicerveza.atutiplen.net ([62.57.139.16]) by gibson.menta.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15 gibson Mar 14 2002 21:29:48) with ESMTP id HN9HYY01.R8K for ; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 14:42:34 +0200 Received: from llimona (llimona [192.168.1.3]) by vicerveza.atutiplen.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F0DD12C16 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 14:41:18 +0200 (CEST) Received: by llimona (Postfix, from userid 1000) id D87431BF8B60; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 14:38:11 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 14:38:11 +0200 From: Llu'is Batlle i Rossell To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: da pe le tanru Message-ID: <20031024123811.GA2655@llimona.atutiplen.net> Mail-Followup-To: lojban-list@lojban.org References: <20031023190139.GA3526@llimona.atutiplen.net> <20031023212838.46094.qmail@web41903.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20031023212838.46094.qmail@web41903.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis X-archive-position: 6484 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: viric@vicerveza.homeunix.net Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list On Thu, Oct 23, 2003 at 02:28:38PM -0700, Jorge Llambías wrote: > > la liuIs cusku di'e > > > .u'u mi ba citka pa le mupli > > i zo'o a'o le mupli do kukte i u'iui mi pu djica cusku zo ciska > > > i zo sanmi ponse re lo te sumti > > i xu lu midju sanmi li'u ponse lo te sumti pe zo sanmi > > (to mi catavla fi lo tanru toi) ? > > i go'i je'e > > > i mi pu viska lo lujvo poi ponse > the > > main gismu of the lujvo>. > > > > I'm not good enough in lojban to express my problem.... :) > > I don't understand why "mijysai" has more sumti places than the ones related > > to > > sanmi. What rules that? > > Do that happen to tanru? > > A tanru has the place structure of its tertau, but lujvo are different. > The place structure of lujvo cannot be obtained unambiguously from the > place structures of its components. There are guiding principles, but > no strict rules. In general, it is preferrable to account for every > place of every component. Sometimes places from more than one component > come together into one place. Sometimes a place of one component is > "filled" by the place of another component so that both disappear from > the resulting lujvo: for example {mampa'u} means "x1 is the maternal > grandfather of x2". The x2 of patfu is filled with the x1 of mamta > and that place disappears, leaving only the x1 of patfu and the x2 > of mamta in the final place structure. > Mmmmm ok. Well, the example you've given is so hard (about who's the mother, the father, the father of who, mother of who....). -- "... el quid de la qüestió està en l'educació: en la filosofia didàctica, l'opció ignorància hauria d'existir: tu què vols ser? Jo, enginyer; jo, metge; jo, ignorant: és a dir, vull aprendre a viure però no vull saber-ho tot." -- Pau Riba, entrevista a "Paper de Vidre", núm. 5