From fracture@allusion.net Thu Oct 30 19:01:49 2003 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Thu, 30 Oct 2003 19:01:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from ms-smtp-03.texas.rr.com ([24.93.36.231]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AFPXh-0005bo-D2 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 19:01:41 -0800 Received: from fracture (cs24349-133.austin.rr.com [24.243.49.133]) by ms-smtp-03.texas.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.2) with SMTP id h9V31dhO013482 for ; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 21:01:39 -0600 (CST) Received: by fracture (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Thu, 30 Oct 2003 21:12:36 -0600 From: "Jordan DeLong" Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 21:12:36 -0600 To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: two concepts I haven't found any helpful translation Message-ID: <20031031031236.GA75669@allusion.net> References: <20031027173042.GF3490@digitalkingdom.org> <20031028113431.K6401-100000@granite.thestonecutters.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="RnlQjJ0d97Da+TV1" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20031028113431.K6401-100000@granite.thestonecutters.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-archive-position: 6528 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: fracture@allusion.net Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list --RnlQjJ0d97Da+TV1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Oct 28, 2003 at 12:04:27PM -0500, Invent Yourself wrote: > On Mon, 27 Oct 2003, Robin Lee Powell wrote: [...] > > > > mutmi'i, IMO, is ass. >=20 > On the other hand, it occurred to me that software is still software even > if it's not being run. Is that true of pruce? The English gloss is not > precise (as to the noun-like or verb-like nature of x1), but the fact that > pu'u is in nu is a clue that lopruce is event-like. But an argument in the > other direction is that the definition could easily have included that x1 > is an event, and it doesn't. >=20 > If a piece of software is never ever executed, what is "process" about it? Come now xod, you should know the tricks by now: it's still a {ka'e pruce}. Anyway `samselpla' is by far the best lujvo yet proposed for this. `sampruce' is, however, acceptable. > Either way, it's a metaphor. Strictly, software is nothing but software. [...] It *certainly* is not a metaphor in the way that {mutmi'i} is a metaphor, if it is a metaphor at all (which it isn't). --=20 Jordan DeLong - fracture@allusion.net lu zo'o loi censa bakni cu terzba le zaltapla poi xagrai li'u sei la mark. tuen. cusku --RnlQjJ0d97Da+TV1 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE/odMjDrrilS51AZ8RAlrIAJ92FVtI71ipNjejkjZr3oLbGhNCewCgvXKZ 0pUS2BXVJpDFkSqA+RgZVzo= =PzL7 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --RnlQjJ0d97Da+TV1--