From xod@thestonecutters.net Mon Oct 06 17:14:52 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 10762 invoked from network); 7 Oct 2003 00:14:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Oct 2003 00:14:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (64.81.49.134) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Oct 2003 00:14:51 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.22) id 1A6fV4-00046C-8I for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 06 Oct 2003 17:14:50 -0700 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.49.134]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1A6fUS-00045I-9s; Mon, 06 Oct 2003 17:14:12 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Mon, 06 Oct 2003 17:14:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [66.111.194.10] (helo=granite.thestonecutters.net) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1A6fU7-00044f-5L for lojban-list@lojban.org; Mon, 06 Oct 2003 17:13:51 -0700 Received: from granite.thestonecutters.net (localhost.thestonecutters.net [127.0.0.1]) by granite.thestonecutters.net (8.12.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h9708w2v075976 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 2003 20:08:58 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from xod@thestonecutters.net) Received: from localhost (xod@localhost) by granite.thestonecutters.net (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) with ESMTP id h9708wur075973 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 2003 20:08:58 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from xod@thestonecutters.net) X-Authentication-Warning: granite.thestonecutters.net: xod owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 20:08:58 -0400 (EDT) To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: Language evolution In-Reply-To: <20031007000716.GZ1970@digitalkingdom.org> Message-ID: <20031006200619.C74681-100000@granite.thestonecutters.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-archive-position: 6350 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: xod@thestonecutters.net Precedence: bulk X-list: lojban-list From: Invent Yourself Reply-To: xod@thestonecutters.net X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=110189215 X-Yahoo-Profile: throwing_back_the_apple X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 20832 On Mon, 6 Oct 2003, Robin Lee Powell wrote: > On Mon, Oct 06, 2003 at 05:01:35PM -0700, Robin Lee Powell wrote: > > A language that conveyed all information unambiguously, say Ferrer > > i Cancho and Sol?, would have a separate word for every thing, > > concept or action it referred to. Such a language would be > > formidably complicated for the speaker: the green of grass, for > > example, would be represented by a totally different word to the > > green of sea, an emerald or an oak leaf. > > Sorry. If I had read this paragraph before I sent it here, I > wouldn't have bothered. ma naldrani .i le ni sinxa cu tolpabdu'i le jei satci -- Economic power is exercised by means of a positive, by offering men a reward, an incentive, a payment, a value; political power is exercised by means of a negative, by the threat of punishment, injury, imprisonment, destruction. The businessman's tool is values; the bureaucrat's tool is fear.