From jjllambias2000@yahoo.com.ar Tue Oct 07 14:34:01 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 5464 invoked from network); 7 Oct 2003 21:34:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Oct 2003 21:34:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (64.81.49.134) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Oct 2003 21:34:00 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.22) id 1A6zSx-0004Nd-Fs for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 07 Oct 2003 14:33:59 -0700 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.49.134]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1A6zS1-0004Mj-Tz; Tue, 07 Oct 2003 14:33:01 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Tue, 07 Oct 2003 14:32:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from web41905.mail.yahoo.com ([66.218.93.156]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.22) id 1A6zRd-0004ML-Pq for lojban-list@lojban.org; Tue, 07 Oct 2003 14:32:37 -0700 Message-ID: <20031007205642.69398.qmail@web41905.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [200.49.74.2] by web41905.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 07 Oct 2003 13:56:42 PDT Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 13:56:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [lojban] Re: le fanmo sinxa pe la pier. To: lojban-list@lojban.org In-Reply-To: <200310071626.36629.phma@webjockey.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 6376 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias2000@yahoo.com.ar Precedence: bulk X-list: lojban-list From: Jorge "Llambías" Reply-To: jjllambias2000@yahoo.com.ar X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=142311107 X-Yahoo-Profile: jjllambias2000 X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 20858 la pier cusku di'e > If there is more than one Mahatma, or there's an office of Mahatma distinct > from Mohandas who occupied it, and even if there isn't, we can say {lo me la > ma'atman}. That's a type-2 fu'ivla. Dictionary.com offers: ma·hat·ma n. 1. In India and Tibet, one of a class of persons venerated for great knowledge and love of humanity. 2. Mahatma [Hinduism.] Used as a title of respect for a person renowned for spirituality and high-mindedness. So Mohanda Gandhi was a mahatma, he was called the Mahatma. Also, it seems that "mahatma" literally means "great soul", so another possibility for Lojban could be {balru'i}. Can {me la ma'atman} really refer to any mahatma, rather than to the one(s) that I call Mahatma? Does {me} cancel the specificity of {la}? The Book's discussion of type-1 and type-2 fu'ivla is not very in-depth, but it does say after introducing them that "where a little more universality is desired, the word to be borrowed must be Lojbanized into one of several permitted forms." One could understand "more universality" to mean that a generic meaning, rather than reference to a specific person or object is desired. mu'o mi'e xorxes __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com