From xod@thestonecutters.net Wed Oct 29 09:35:42 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 63898 invoked from network); 29 Oct 2003 17:35:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Oct 2003 17:35:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (64.81.49.134) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Oct 2003 17:35:41 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.22) id 1AEuEO-0008Dl-DG for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 09:35:40 -0800 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.49.134]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AEuDe-0008D0-3a; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 09:34:54 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Wed, 29 Oct 2003 09:34:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from [66.111.194.10] (helo=granite.thestonecutters.net) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AEuDM-0008CI-MT for lojban-list@lojban.org; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 09:34:36 -0800 Received: from granite.thestonecutters.net (localhost.thestonecutters.net [127.0.0.1]) by granite.thestonecutters.net (8.12.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h9THThV4033798 for ; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 12:29:43 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from xod@thestonecutters.net) Received: from localhost (xod@localhost) by granite.thestonecutters.net (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) with ESMTP id h9THThFx033795 for ; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 12:29:43 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from xod@thestonecutters.net) X-Authentication-Warning: granite.thestonecutters.net: xod owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 12:29:43 -0500 (EST) Subject: [lojban] Re: About having lunch.... In-Reply-To: <3F9FEE71.9080300@bilkent.edu.tr> Message-ID: <20031029122910.X30757-100000@granite.thestonecutters.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-archive-position: 6523 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: xod@thestonecutters.net X-list: lojban-list To: lojban@yahoogroups.com From: Invent Yourself Reply-To: xod@thestonecutters.net X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=110189215 X-Yahoo-Profile: throwing_back_the_apple X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 21004 On Wed, 29 Oct 2003, robin wrote: > Llu'is Batlle i Rossell wrote: > > Hi! > > > > I don't know how can I utter something like "I have lunch here". > > I suggest: > > mi vi citka le dormijysai > > > > But that meaning is "I eat the lunch here". It isn't the same... so anyone > > suggests a better way of saying that? > > What is the difference between eating lunch and having lunch? English > frequently uses "have" where the action involved is obvious. If you > want to emphasise the whole event of lunch rather than the mere eating > of it, I suppose you could use a "nu" construction, but I can't really > see the point. In many natural languages, you'd have to say "eat lunch" > anyway. "I have lunch here" is timeless. It refers to a habit. -- Implicit in the term "national defense" is the notion of defending those values and ideals which set this Nation apart. United States Supreme Court, U.S. v. Robel (1967)