From jjllambias2000@yahoo.com.ar Tue Oct 07 16:26:32 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 65122 invoked from network); 7 Oct 2003 23:26:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Oct 2003 23:26:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (64.81.49.134) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Oct 2003 23:26:31 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.22) id 1A71Dq-0005q6-Rn for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 07 Oct 2003 16:26:30 -0700 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.49.134]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1A71D9-0005pH-R0; Tue, 07 Oct 2003 16:25:47 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Tue, 07 Oct 2003 16:25:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from web41903.mail.yahoo.com ([66.218.93.154]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.22) id 1A71Cr-0005ov-Jg for lojban-list@lojban.org; Tue, 07 Oct 2003 16:25:29 -0700 Message-ID: <20031007225243.53681.qmail@web41903.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [200.69.6.54] by web41903.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 07 Oct 2003 15:52:43 PDT Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 15:52:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [lojban] Re: consolation To: lojban-list@lojban.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 6378 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias2000@yahoo.com.ar Precedence: bulk X-list: lojban-list From: Jorge "Llambías" Reply-To: jjllambias2000@yahoo.com.ar X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=142311107 X-Yahoo-Profile: jjllambias2000 X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 20860 la maten cusku di'e > So can that be summarised as - > - whenever {le nu broda} is of an event type which has a mo'u (i.e a > process), {le nu broda cu mulno} <==> {pu mo'u broda} ==> {ba'o > broda} Perhaps {lo nu broda cu mulno} <==> {ba'o mo'u broda}, since the LHS is tenseless so the RHS should be tenseless too. > - for states (and activities?), {le nu broda cu mulno} means something > along the lines of broda being as true as possible during the > state/activity. Yes, I suppose that it has to work for activities too: le nu mi bajra cu mulxadba ze'a le pamoi mentu gi'eku'i mulno ze'a le drata temci My running was half-hearted for the first minutes, but to the full for the rest of the time. > - for point-events...? Both interpretations make sense. Do you have an example? > - for objects, mulno's other, three-place structure applies. I suppose we could say that for events the full place structure applies too, with x2 being {le ka ce'u fasnu}: le nu mi klama le zarci cu mulno le ka fasnu} My going to the market is complete in its occurring. le nu mi gleki cu mulno le ka fasnu My being happy is complete in its occurring. mu'o mi'e xorxes __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com