From lojban-out@lojban.org Fri Oct 17 16:37:39 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 4810 invoked from network); 17 Oct 2003 23:37:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Oct 2003 23:37:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (64.81.49.134) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Oct 2003 23:37:38 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.22) id 1AAeA5-0003kW-HV for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 17 Oct 2003 16:37:37 -0700 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.49.134]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AAe9d-0003jD-F7; Fri, 17 Oct 2003 16:37:09 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Fri, 17 Oct 2003 16:36:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rlpowell by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.22) id 1AAe8v-0003iM-3q for lojban-list@lojban.org; Fri, 17 Oct 2003 16:36:25 -0700 Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 16:36:25 -0700 To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: Language evolution Message-ID: <20031017233625.GE1016@digitalkingdom.org> Mail-Followup-To: lojban-list@lojban.org References: <20031008173533.GO8393@digitalkingdom.org> <20031008133441.W15632-100000@granite.thestonecutters.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20031008133441.W15632-100000@granite.thestonecutters.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i X-archive-position: 6460 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Precedence: bulk X-list: lojban-list X-eGroups-From: Robin Lee Powell From: Robin Lee Powell Reply-To: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 20941 On Wed, Oct 08, 2003 at 01:49:44PM -0400, Invent Yourself wrote: > On Wed, 8 Oct 2003, Robin Lee Powell wrote: > > > On Mon, Oct 06, 2003 at 08:08:58PM -0400, Invent Yourself wrote: > > > On Mon, 6 Oct 2003, Robin Lee Powell wrote: > > > > > > > On Mon, Oct 06, 2003 at 05:01:35PM -0700, Robin Lee Powell > > > > wrote: > > > > > A language that conveyed all information unambiguously, > > > > > say Ferrer i Cancho and Sol?, would have a separate word > > > > > for every thing, concept or action it referred to. Such a > > > > > language would be formidably complicated for the speaker: > > > > > the green of grass, for example, would be represented by a > > > > > totally different word to the green of sea, an emerald or > > > > > an oak leaf. > > > > > > > > Sorry. If I had read this paragraph before I sent it here, > > > > I wouldn't have bothered. > > > > > > ma naldrani > > > > le sidbo be le nu le cimni bangu cu sarcu le ka satci > > fancu fo tu'a lo kampabdu'i .enai lo kamsarcu .i va'i satci ma mi na djuno .iseki'ubo mi na nelci le pamoi se tcidu .i mi krici le tcidu cu na'e jimpe le si'o satci > > > .i le ni sinxa cu tolpabdu'i le jei satci > > > > "tolpabdu'i" ?= inversely proportional? > > > > If so, I don't think that means what you want it to mean, > > because what you just said means "As the number of symbols > > increases, the amount of truth decreases". > > le jei ko'a jetnu cu drata le jei ko'a satci .ie > .i zo ni mapti zo sinxa ni'i le du'u su'oreda sinxa .ie > .i ku'i zo jei mapti zo satci ni'i le du'u ckilu do'e li 0 do'e li > 1 .ie > je'u le ni sinxa cu pabdu'i le jei lo sinxa cu satci .iku'i do pu cusku lu to'i sa'enai ba'e toi to'e pabdu'i li'u .enai lu pabdu'i li'u .iji'a mi na tugni .i mi krici le du'u kakne le nu finti le satci valsi sepi'o so'u valsi .iku'i .ua do cusku tu'a lo valsi na.eku'i lo sinxa .i pe'i mi jimpe .i mi ju'ocu'i tugni -Robin -- Me: http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/ *** I'm a *male* Robin. "Constant neocortex override is the only thing that stops us all from running out and eating all the cookies." -- Eliezer Yudkowsky http://www.lojban.org/ *** .i cimo'o prali .ui