From sentto-44114-21048-1067875732-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Mon Nov 03 08:09:31 2003 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Mon, 03 Nov 2003 08:09:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com ([66.218.66.91]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AGhGe-0001LL-5L for lojban-in@lojban.org; Mon, 03 Nov 2003 08:09:24 -0800 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-44114-21048-1067875732-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.197] by n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Nov 2003 16:08:52 -0000 X-Sender: mr_ekted@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 67378 invoked from network); 3 Nov 2003 16:08:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Nov 2003 16:08:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.87) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Nov 2003 16:08:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.112] by n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Nov 2003 16:08:29 -0000 To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Mr Ekted" X-Originating-IP: 24.31.144.104 X-Yahoo-Profile: mr__ekted MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list lojban@yahoogroups.com; contact lojban-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list lojban@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 16:08:28 -0000 Subject: [lojban] Language creation Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-archive-position: 6545 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: mr_ekted@hotmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list As I get more into learning lojban, I see some of the reasons behind the choices made. But so far, I am confused about the choices made in the design of the following aspects: Remove puncuation. A good idea since we do not pronounce it when we read it. But then the choice was made to litter the language with . and ' which is really starting to get annoying. I understand that they are technically part of the alphabet, but to me they read as noise. They make smooth reading more difficult. We remove "." from the end of sentences, but then we add back ".i". Many of the most common/useful modifiers contain "non-diphthonged" vowels requiring the use of "'". If "'" sounds like "h", then use "h". :) Vowels. Choices were made to keep things from sounding the same, but then why have a short "e" and the schwa "y"? Why have "ur" when it's almost impossible to distinguish from "or"? Every time I have to pronounce words like "se'u" in my head it's like hitting a brick wall. One last thing. I've jumped ahead a bit in the lessons. It seems that lojban actually consists of a relatively small core of base words, and that the rest are "manufactured" by forming compounds (kind of like German). Is this really true? Like maybe there's no word for computer, just some compound word like box-with-buttons-and-lights. ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Rent DVDs from home. Over 14,500 titles. Free Shipping & No Late Fees. Try Netflix for FREE! http://us.click.yahoo.com/I3w.vC/hP.FAA/3jkFAA/GSaulB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe, send mail to lojban-unsubscribe@onelist.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/