From sentto-44114-21091-1068145798-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Thu Nov 06 11:10:55 2003 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Thu, 06 Nov 2003 11:10:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com ([66.218.66.86]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AHpWl-00050h-SF for lojban-in@lojban.org; Thu, 06 Nov 2003 11:10:43 -0800 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-44114-21091-1068145798-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.201] by n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Nov 2003 19:10:01 -0000 X-Sender: jcowan@reutershealth.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 78765 invoked from network); 6 Nov 2003 19:09:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Nov 2003 19:09:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.reutershealth.com) (65.246.141.36) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Nov 2003 19:09:55 -0000 Received: from skunk.reutershealth.com (mail [65.246.141.36]) by mail.reutershealth.com (Pro-8.9.3/Pro-8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA24821; Thu, 6 Nov 2003 14:04:54 -0500 (EST) Received: by skunk.reutershealth.com (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Thu, 6 Nov 2003 14:09:52 -0500 To: viric@vicerveza.homeunix.net Cc: lojban@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: <20031106190951.GC18857@skunk.reutershealth.com> References: <20031106124804.31680.qmail@web41903.mail.yahoo.com> <20031106130708.GE1461@mercury.ccil.org> <20031106180803.GA2912@llimona.atutiplen.net> In-Reply-To: <20031106180803.GA2912@llimona.atutiplen.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i From: John Cowan X-Originating-IP: 65.246.141.36 MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list lojban@yahoogroups.com; contact lojban-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list lojban@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 14:09:51 -0500 Subject: [lojban] Re: lluis's pronunciation Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-archive-position: 6588 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jcowan@reutershealth.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list Llu'is Batlle i Rossell scripsit: > Anyway... I don't read any "se cmene" or "te smuni". I read "te cmene" and "se > smuni". :) Right, that's what I meant to write. > About "smuni" and "zmuni", it's hard for me to pronounce a non-sounding > consonant before a sounding consonant (soi vo'a). Languages like Catalan or > Russian have rules for that... for example, a final sounding consonant is > converted to the non-sounding equivalent (d to t, g to k, ...). Luckily, only names end in consonants, so this is not likely to be a problem. > The same happens > for sounding consonants before non-sounding. For the most part, that is true in Lojban also, except in the case (which is this case) that the second letter is m, n, l, or r. It may be easier for you if you unvoice the second letter also. > And about "non-sounding before sounding", we have some examples in > catalan, but they're very specific: "viatge" for example; that, > lojbanized, is written "viAd,jy". I think we're not able to say > "viAt,jy". Fortunately, "tj" is not possible in Lojban. -- Long-short-short, long-short-short / Dactyls in dimeter, Verse form with choriambs / (Masculine rhyme): jcowan@reutershealth.com One sentence (two stanzas) / Hexasyllabically http://www.reutershealth.com Challenges poets who / Don't have the time. --robison who's at texas dot net ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Rent DVDs from home. Over 14,500 titles. Free Shipping & No Late Fees. Try Netflix for FREE! http://us.click.yahoo.com/I3w.vC/hP.FAA/3jkFAA/GSaulB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe, send mail to lojban-unsubscribe@onelist.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/